I can someone tell me, how the plot in ROTF was not good?

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  1. SlyTF

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    Every one sais that ROTF's plot is ass. I liked the plot, the movie did what it was supposed to do, it had giant robots and explosions, and I dont get how people say the plot is not good. what more could you ask for in a 3 hr toy commercial? Even for a stand alone movie I thaught the plot was good, better than the first atleast.
     
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    Well, the title wasnt supposed to have an I at the beginning, oh well
     
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    To (loosely) quote SouthPark: "Mr. Bay, that's not a plot, those are special effects."

    You answered your own question.

    "Plot" implies changes in characters or situations as caused by a series of events that play out over the arc of the story.

    Robots beating the snot out of each other and blowing crap up is not a plot.

    D/L
     
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    Well,the reason may not be the plot itself,but it's flaws (does that sentence make sense?!)

    For instance,the allspark.It can repair Frenzy,but not bumblebee?Why are all the transformers createt by it immidiatly decepticons?If it's just a vessel,and the energy goes over to Sam,then why can't he just resurrect Optimus himself?Why didn't Optimus die,when the Fallen took the matrix from him?What exactly is the Energon mentioned by the Fallen,and what is it's purpose?Why are there Transformers in eggs aboard the Ark?What was the Fallen doing in the first Film?What did Megatron want with the allspark,kill himself?!Why can't Ratchet repair sh** when he's the autobots medic?Also,why is Ironhide weaker then Prime,when he's the weapon's specialist?Why come Robots being so human (Bumblebee in the first movie,Devastators balls,Wheelie humping Megans leg,Starscream spitting on Sam etc. etc.)?Why are there a dozen of clones in the film (Bonecrusher,Grindro,All the Constructicons had clones)?Why could they resurrect Megatron,Prime later,but not Jazz or any of the others?

    And ongoing...
    Any questions?
     
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    Well, charactors did change, Leo isnt a coward anymore, Sam doesnt hate his life anymore, Makayla isnt a selfish bitch anymore, Simmons isnt an asshole, Bumblebee was stronger, Optimus believes in the human race a little more, and I sure hope the Twins learned some home training. So theres tons of charactor change
     
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    This movie was kind of PWP, too much of the first P not enough of the 2nd! :D 
     
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    well, first of all, maby the Autobots thaught the Allspark shards, could be useful for somthing bigger than just Jazz and BB. Megatron wanted the Allspar to rebuild cybertron, the robots where like humans in the shows. The clones came from the protoforms, didnt you pay attention to animated? (even though its not the same) Optimus didnt die when The Fallen took the Matrix because Jetfire gave him his spark. Before Jetfire gave Optimus his spark, didnt you see Prime crawling on the ground, caughing? he was dying, until Jetfire came along.
     
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    Totaly this
     
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    When did Sam hate his life or Mikaela act like a selfish bitch?

    Don't get me wrong I liked ROTF, I just don't remember getting that impression of either character.

    No he didn't.
     
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    Ok,I take the part with Optimus and the matrix back;You're right there.
    However,I meant resurrecting Jazz as in ressurrecting him with Sams allspark power or something;Still,why can't he?!I thought he's got the allsparks power now.And Megatron wants the Allspark because he want's power.Appearantly the only power it has is "Kill yourself" and "Creat Decepticons".As we saw in the second movie,they could create decepticons just fine without the allspark.The robots were like humans in the show,that's right.But keep in mind,in the show they actually all had a human look.Everyone had a human face,human legs,hands etc. only in square form and made out of metal.Here they don't look that much human,but still act human.Why?!And I know the clones came from the protoform,but why would the choose the vehicles they did?Wouldn't it be smarter to scan a giant,fast Blackbird who can launch bombs and missilies on the autobots,then a normal car?!And still.Why does it have to be vehicles that were already scanned?Then they would get catch attention immidiatly.
     
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    Sam had a hard time accepting that his car was an alien robot and he killed Megatron, in the beginning of Transformers 1 Makayla was a selfish bitch
     
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    Both of which happened in the first movie. I thought you were talking about ROTF.
    Although I still dont remember Mikaela being a selfish bitch.
     
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    Me neither.
    Btw. I posted something new on page one.
     
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    Megatron didnt want the allspark in ROTF, he wanted Sam's mind so he could lead him to the matrix of leadership.
     
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    No, at the beginning of ROTF, Sam wanted to go to colleg to leave his "new" exciting life behind to become a normal kid
     
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    We're talking about the Allspark now,not Sam's mind.Megatron clearly stated somwhere in the first movie that he wanted the Allsparks power.The whole "The map was in the allspark and is now in sam's mind" is just a poor,typical Michael Bay excuse for the little thing he calls "plot".
     
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    That doesn't mean he hated his life.
     
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    To the LIMITED degree that you could argue for any of those changes....

    There's still the problem that none of those changes occurred as a natural progression of growth.

    Sam's big character moment was deciding he needed to face the robot-battle alone and let his parents go....But he'd pretty much already decided to let his parents go at the beginning of the movie, AND was never keen on them dying (to my knowledge) at any point anyway....so what's different?

    You COULD argue that Sam's big evolution was to decide to accept his role as "Robot Messiah Human Boy" (Which is a whole issue unto itself...), but AGAIN, right at the beginning of the movie, even after deciding to leave BB behind, he decided to take personal ownership of the All Spark fragment. He could of chucked it, or turned it over to the gov't, or whatever, but he decided to keep it. So he's pretty much deciding to be involved right at the beginning.

    Mikalia starts out loyal to and in love with Sam despite his being a pain in the ass. She ends there too.

    Simmons still seems like a self-important nut-job at the end of the flick "A Man, alone, betrayed by his country..." So what's the change, exactly?

    Bumblebee...Well OK, he DID lift Starscream at the end, where as he could only lift Frenzy at the beginning, you've got me there....Oh wait, nope, that didn't happen.

    Optimus has been shouting "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings!" since 1984 and taking bullets for squishies every chance he gets, try again.

    There is no hope for the Twins.

    Yeah, so Sam, MAYBE, you've kinda got a leg to stand on, but its a mess...

    D/L
     
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    "Let's do something different with this character" is not the same as character development. Development means gradual changes that are a natural consequence of the plot, not a new idea made up by the writers just for the sake of change.
     
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    Guess we have to wait till TF3 but I doubt it
     

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