Humans vs Decepticons ((possible minor spoiler))

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Torque, May 3, 2009.

  1. Torque

    Torque The WORDSMITH

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    i know alot of people seem to complain about how the military helped defeat he Decepticons, but i was just thinking it through, and they really didnt do anything to effect the outcome of the battles. i mean, think about it:


    1) Scorponok-one of the only two times humans really defeated a Decepticon, but even still, he's alive and kicking

    2) Blackout-the other time the humans helped defeat a Decepticon, and even still-it was a barrage of plane missiles and a lucky shot to the chest.
    and of all the Decepticons that were killed, he is the one reawakening-so its like the humans were never even there

    3) Megatron-was killed by the cube. not by Sam, but the Allspark. all the damage humans did to him with the planes-didnt make a difference-once Sam pushed the cube into his chest, he was done for, no matter what. so the humans may as well have not done anything at all.

    4) Frenzy-died at his own hand. it was in a fight with the humans, but they didnt really do anything to kill him.

    5) Brawl-hard to say on this one-i mean sure, they shot him repeatedly with Sabot rounds, but the only noticable damage was done by Jazz, BB, Ratchet, and Ironhide. again, the Humans attacking him may not have had much effect.

    6) Bonecrusher-died at the blade of Optimus Prime

    7) Barricade-still alive

    8) Starscream-also still alive


    So did the humans really have any effect on the outcome of the war? no, not really-all they did was hit Blackout
    , but it doesnt matter cause he's back
    . So why does everyone complain about the Humans taking down the Decepticons?
     
  2. Hydrobot

    Hydrobot Super Ginrai!

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    I've have been thinking about that ever since I heard the 1st complaint about the humans being overpowered. They DID have a noticeable outcome. Brawl lost his left arm due to the military's fire, megatron lost limbs from the jet attacks, etc. (These things weren't highlighted during the film, but you can see them.)

    The military inflicted damage, alot of it. But as you say, they only caused one decepticon death. So i'm in neutral about that matter.
     
  3. Lbsammills51

    Lbsammills51 Well-Known Member

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    I thought Brawl lost his left arm because Ratchet cut it off with his blade-weapon thingy?
     
  4. Hydrobot

    Hydrobot Super Ginrai!

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    Ratchet cut off his right hand. Later on the military shatters brawl's left fore-arm. The scene is shot from behind Brawl.
     
  5. Nachtsider

    Nachtsider Banned

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    I maintain my view that the humans caused more damage than I would have liked.
     
  6. Crombiecron

    Crombiecron Planet Muncher

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    anything the humans did to brawl was done tenfold by the autobots, he got his ass handed to him by everyone but he put up a hell of a fight!
    the humans barely did anything i dunno why everyone complains either
     
  7. Finchfan000

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    I disagree with you saying humans did not kill Megs.
    True ultimately it was the cube that finished Megs off, but without Sam it wouldn't have happened.

    Its like saying, Prime didn't kill Bonecrusher, his Blade did.
     
  8. Ash from Carolina

    Ash from Carolina Junior Smeghead

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    1) Scorpie ran off so that's a Decepticon not being able to stand up to human fire power and he lost his tail in the process. If he'd not been able to hide in the sand then we'd like have a dead Scorponok.

    2) Blackout made it look far far to easy for humans to kill even large Decepticons. Even being back from the dead can't take the lame off his death in the first film.

    3) We see Megatron taking a lot of damage from the human jets so you could argue it was only a matter of time before either the jets got him or Captain Lennox showed up to kill him. Who kills Megatron though but an unarmed civilian 16 year old kid.

    4) Frenzy couldn't kill a fat guy, an old guy and an idiot trapped in a room so to call Frenzy a Decepticon only shows how totally lame the Decepticons are as fighters since they can't kill anyone after the first quarter of the film.

    5) Takes lots of damage, just stands there taking damage, and then it's the uber lame thing of getting killed by Bumblebee. Sorry you can never ever be a bad ass warrior if you've been killed by the squishies and Bumblebee.

    6) The only reason the humans didn't open up the can of whip ass on Bonecrusher is because Prime killed him as soon as he showed up. The way Prime totally owned Bonecrusher the bot had no chance against the humans.

    7) The only reason Barricade didn't get killed is because he just disappeared after Sam saw him. He'd already had his butt handed to him by Bumblebee so do you really think he'd have any chance against the humans or would he be another Blackout.

    8) Only reason Starscream was still alive was because he had the option of getting away from the overpowered humans and he never crossed paths with the human stars of the film.

    Sorry but when you have Decepticons taking large amounts of damage from the humans then it's just a matter of time and fire power before any of them go down. I've got a bad feeling that NEST is going to own the Decepticons even worse than GI Joe beating up on a squad of Cobra blue shirts.

    Unless they come up with some magical way that Decepticons can't take damage from the humans any more then the humans have huge well armed armies, navies, and air forces compared to what the Decepticons can bring to the battle. Even if no Autobots showed up for the second film you could still go into the movie knowing it's a forgone conclusion that the Decepticons will lose.
     
  9. Torque

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    hmm, maybe i didnt watch the Brawl scene close enough

    i kinda think of it like the Humans have BB guns, and the Autobots have real guns. BB guns hurt, and if used right, could kill someone. but once the real guns show up, thats when the real damage starts.
     
  10. Chaos Prime

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    Brawl was a group effort really. The Autobots jumped him all at once, then the humans continued to soften him up before BB finished him off.

    And yes Megatron was killed by Sam. Sam was holding the Allspark, it was his intent to shove it into Megatron, so that means Sam killed him. Not to mention the F-22s (and maybe Starscream) wreaked havoc on Megatrons backside, pretty much disabling him.
     
  11. Mechafire

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    Doesn't bother me, since all the tech in the movie-verse is created from Tansformers tech.

    As in guns.
     
  12. Coeloptera

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    I am also still bothered by the fact that humans were doing some really severe damage to ultra-tech, mechanical aliens who can move from star to star without a ship and survive reentry crash-landings.

    In fact, this is one of the few Transformer continuities wherein humans can actually damage TFs in any significant fashion at all.

    But then, Michael Bay does have some kind of creepy hardon for the Armed Forces. Not that finding them admirable is wrong in any way, but his version of it...I think it was once basically described as: he films military hardware as if it were porn.

    - Coeloptera
     
  13. Faust

    Faust Bring on da wimmens!

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    I always had a feeling that maybe Starscream took part in the F22 attack against Megatron.

    It does fit him nicely, if he did do so.
     
  14. Chaos328

    Chaos328 Decepticon

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    I Don't know if the humans will be as effective in this movie

    Just look at that Scene with Demolishor/Scavenger and how he's hardly getting effected by the army and he knocks down a helicopter
     
  15. Darthbane2007

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    Why does everybody complain that the humans actually have a shot at beating back the decepticons? I mean, do you really want to see a movie where Megatron just swipes through and crushes tanks and swipes copters out of the sky like flies?
     
  16. Vexza

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    This.

    And come on, technically only Blackout was killed by humans. Not Frenzy, not Megatron, not Brawl. I liked the BB gun analogy.
     
  17. cnic

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    I'm not one of the ones who wants to complain. In the movie opening sequence Blackout kills off everyone on the military base, save Lennox and his crew,Skorponok takes out a few and on Air Force One,Frenzy does too.The ratio to Decepticons being killed by Humans to Humans killing Decepticons is not even close.
     
  18. jonatron26

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    but now ss knows that the squishy flesh beings can hurt them so he probaly got better armor and defenses for the cons
     
  19. jonatron26

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    yes
     
  20. buickanddeere

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    Doesn't matter how high tech or what you are made of. Getting burning magnesium stuck on your body is going to cause damage. Or getting hit with a 4000fps U238 sabot dart from a 155 cannon is also going to turn tech into scrap.
     

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