Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by cliffjumperftw1, Oct 30, 2011.
Que and rachet I can sorta understand, but the others? Not so much...
There were more cons than bots ?
The Autobots were separated from both Prime and the Wreckers, and were simply overwhelmed by the sheer number of Decepticons in Chicago.
Your claim that Ratchet is a non-fighter and easy to capture like Que is highly inaccurate, though. Ratchet's always on the front lines kicking some ass.
There were about the same number of Decepticons than there were Autobots, so "they were outnumbered" is invalid. Bumblebee, Mirage, Sideswipe and maybe even Ratchet could have easily owned those Decepticons. Even if Soundwave and Barricade were there, that's not an excuse. I mean, Sideswipe took on those gangster Dreads, Mirage mercilessly killed Hatchet, and Bumblebee already had a 3 kill streak going on from the past movies. Yeah, they could have done more than just let themselves get captured.
You forget that the seven or so Decepticons in the prisoner scene are only seven or so of an entire invasion/occupation force in the entire city.
Yeah, but by the time they called for backup, they would already be dead.
shockwave says helllo.
The real question is why did the Decepticons capture them and not kill them on the spot.
Because it was Soundwave's idea to keep them prisoners, and he was in charge.
This sequence was poorly done - they needed to be captured because that was the only way to have the dramatic execution scene, but the lack of seeing it happen/how it happened just added to the "WTF?" moment while watching the movie.
I think it was because the Decepticons surrounded them so that the Autobots could be killed if they tried to attack. Once Brains and Wheelie dropped the ships on them, the Decepticons began to scatter and they fell out of formation which allowed the Autobots to kill a few of them and escape.
Being outnumbered is the most viable reason. I mean, why the hell else would they be able to be captured?
That whole scene was sloppily put together though. The Autobots were just standing there and they weren't even restrained nor had their weapons taken from them. They should have tried to at least fight, since they would be killed either way if they were just standing around.
If I'm correct, you're assuming that these Autobots can immediately kill seven Decepticons within moments. They can't. The NEST soldiers later softened up Shockwave, Barricade and the other Decepticons, and the Autobots still couldn't advance without Prime. The Decepticons would've already called for backup to crush the Autobots entirely, who were simply overwhelmed by the sheer number of Decepticons and ships, hundreds around the city. The Autobots aren't unstoppable killing machines. They didn't want to lose anyone else and lessen their dangerously low numbers, so they surrendered.
In my opinion, i think if mirage had just hologramed shockwave, honestly that scene would have be more epic
Like Bountyman said, they were outnumbered, but the whole scene was poorly executed. It almost makes me wonder if there was more to it, but the script was abruptly changed for some reason.
I see your point.
I agree not just the editing but i always felt like i missed something
Defimately this because I mean come om its never stopped them
I think the Autobots got captured because they stumbled into an even larger force of Decepticons, and then Ratchet got captured afterwards.
The Decepticons were restraining them, evident in the scene where Barricade says, "Remember me", as he twists Bumblebee's arms.
I think Soundwave wanted to keep them alive so they could perhaps yield information on the whereabouts of Optimus/Wreckers. Or even the location of the human forces within the city. I think Dylan knocked some sense back into Soundwave, I mean after all, Prime can't stop an entire army by himself... >.>
And the Autobots only won because Soundwave unintentionally started using his own men as target practice whilst fighting Bumblebee.
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