Customs: How to tighten up joints on TF's...?

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  1. Nemesis251

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    I've been looking all over the forum to find out I could tighten up the joints on my Alternator Nemesis Prime. Any info would help.
     
  2. stratonrye

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    Which joints do you need to tighten? What kind of joint is it (ball joint, swivel, etc)?
     
  3. Superquad7

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    5 minute search (search query = "tighten joints"):

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/309394-tightening-loose-joints.html#

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...n/310029-need-help-tightening-odd-joints.html*
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/297438-stablize-loose-wings.html*
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/297513-protecting-ball-joints.html*
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...ose-ball-joints.html?highlight=tighten+joints*

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/286167-tightening-hinge-joints.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat.../280019-super-glue-joint-tightening-help.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...sic-magnus-arms.html?highlight=tighten+joints

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...0698-superglue-nailpolish-details-please.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...ning-pin-joints.html?highlight=tighten+joints
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...ble-tighten-pin.html?highlight=tighten+joints
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...tightening-pins.html?highlight=tighten+joints
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/208448-tighten-loose-joint.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/213773-superglue-loose-tf-joints.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/213428-i-hate-loose-joints.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/213013-alt-mirage-loose-leg.html
    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creative-general-discussion/212675-repairing-loose-g1-legs.html#

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/creat...ghtening-joints.html?highlight=tighten+joints

    (The reason I've posted all of these is multifaceted here :) )
     
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    Agreed. Also, like I said, my post has a dual purpose, and the other is to catch all of the links thus far so a resource can be created in the future. Questions like this (as I've evidenced above) get asked a lot, and for good reasons.

    That being said, while I know this isn't too terribly complicated, a photo tutorial would be preferred. Anyone up to it?
     
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    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/tutorials-how-tos/349988-tightening-loose-joints.html

    Hey gang, I just thought I'd let you all know that I'm in the process of resourcing all that we've had posted thus far concerning this topic. I'm by no means finished with it (as you'll be able to see), but at least relevant information is in one place.

    The main reason for my post here (aside from an update) is to broadcast to any of you who wish to contribute something not covered in the above link to feel completely free to do so. Mainly, what I see lacking is photos (we all like pretty pictures, rite? :D ). Updates as I have 'em. :) 

    (Btw: I know that in reality, this can seem like a pretty elementary subject, but even those who don't customize a whole lot utilize some of these resources. Even a casual collector who doesn't bother with customs to the levels that many Radicons do may have a desire to tighten a joint. When a person starts using things like super-glue on your TFs, the most information available is the most helpful.)
     
  7. Ramrider

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    I don't know how much help it'll be, but since my Double Clutch needs an extra coat on one of his elbows, I'm taking a couple of step-by-step photos as I fix it. Unfortunately, I've only got two hands, so it's hard to apply glue and take photos at the same time... I've tried to fake it a bit, though. :p 
    Just gotta wait for the glue to set and I'll snap the reassembly.
     
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    Here's how I tightened the ball joints on my PCC Double Clutch; I already did this when I first got him, since his arms and forearms were popping off every thirty seconds, but one elbow was still too loose, so I needed to give it another coat.

    Here we have the still-offending ball joint. Grrr.

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    This is the glue I'm using; Loctite Easy Brush superglue (a cyanoacrylate). This one's fairly fluid, so it's good for applying thin coats, but not so fluid that it'll run where you don't want it. As the name suggests, it has a handy brush in the cap for application. If the superglue you're using is a gel rather than a liquid, make sure you have a toothpick or something handy to help spread it around; you'll want to be able to apply a nice thin layer.

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    Here I'm brushing a thin coat of glue, just on the ball of the joint itself.

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    And now it has been glued. I know, it basically looks just like the first picture. This is a good thing.

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    Don't reassemble the joint yet; give the glue plenty of time to cure. Superglue usually sets in seconds, but you want to be sure it's hardened before you start putting pressure on the surface. It should be fine within five or ten minutes, though I prefer to leave it at least an hour or two to be on the really safe side. You can't leave it for too long, but you can not leave if for long enough.

    Tum te tum... *tuneful whistling*

    Okay, now you can reassemble the joint.

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    *click*

    And voilá, a nice tight elbow!

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    If, by any chance, the joint is still too loose for your tastes, then just repeat the process until it suits you. Just remember to try not to rush it; if you need to use several thin coats, so be it, but you do not want to start using thick coats to speed it up. A thicker coat of glue will take longer to set, so if you put too much on, you could either wind up fusing the joint (if you reassemble it too early) or unable to reassemble it at all (if you've overloaded the ball and made it too big for the socket)...

    DC here had already had a couple of coats to his shoulder and elbow joints when I realised this one was still too loose. So, patience. :) 
     

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    As somebody who has been fixing ball joints all day, I can confidently say Ramrider's method works wonders. However, instead of using super glue, I've actually been using some my sister's clear nail polish.
     
  10. Ramrider

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    Nail polish does indeed work, though may not bond quite as effectively with the plastic. But even if it doesn't, it does the job of filling the gap, which is mostly all you're after. ;) 

    Future/Klear is another alternative; one which I sometimes also use to tighten loose swivel joints (including ones where separating the joint isn't an option, like stubborn pin joints). If you're careful, you can flood the joint with the Klear due to its fluidity, and it'll fill some of the gaps and tighten it up once it sets.
    If you do this, however, and need multiple coats, make sure you flex the joint a bit between each layer; a couple of coats of that stuff, once it's cured, is pretty darned tough to shift, and you need to be careful to avoid stiffening your joints beyond all hope of movement... :p 
     
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    Merry Christmas to me from Ramrider! Thanks a lot, bud, and added!
     

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