How to achieve ultimate Autobot victory

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  1. battlefudge

    battlefudge TFW2005 Supporter

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    OK, so I am curious:
    aside from the fact that cartoons and comics are limited to what the authors and writers think, why was a total Autobot victory never achieved?
    Just going with G1 for a moment, if you took Metroplex, Fort Max and Omega Supreme into battle wouldn't that be enough to take out all of the Decepticon heavy hitters and combiners? Even if it wasn't, add in Autobot combiners, the wreckers and the Dinobots, Bring in Prime and his top line Autobots, Ultra Magnus... wouldn't that be enough? Just in terms of sheer firepower they should be able to crush the Decepticons in one stroke. Especially if Prime went on one of his "I must stop Megatron" attacks.

    What do you guys think?
     
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    You can never have ulitmate Autobot victory, because if all of the Decepticons were defeated we'd be left with nothing but villains like Professor Princess and Nanosec. Nobody wants a series of the Autobots fighting the Angry Archer, or noise pollution, or global warming for an entire season.
     
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    Because all the "heavy hitters" are written in such a way that they're aloof, or busy, or something that prevents them from being used in the way you suggest. Also the leaders are written in such a way that they wouldn't employ such a strategy.

    And why are they written that way you ask? Because the story would end if they weren't.

    It's similar to the answer to "why don't the eagles fly frodo to mount doom?"
     
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    That pissed me off so much when I got to the that part of the book!
     
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    take off and nuke the site from orbit.

    it's the only way to be sure.
     
  6. _Galvatron_

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    It's simple: kill the Decepticons.

    But that won't happen; it would end the series...and hasbro will never again abuse their main cash cow like they did during the late '80s.
     
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    You are right as is everyone else. Lets take reality out of it for a second. Would the Big Autobots be able to to kill the big Decepticons especially with Frotmax and Metroplex in the equation?
     
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    I don't think Prime's strategy is absolute victory. The goal (in G1) is to prevent Decepticon dominion of Earth, Cybertron, and the galaxy. Extermination of the Decepticons is neither a means to the above or an end. Prime would most likely prefer that the 'cons go live on Charr and not wage war on any sentient beings, because freedom... well you get the idea.
     
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    The reason there is no absolute victory is because there would then be no point to this franchise. You can't take it out of the equation, because that is the equation.
     
  10. Aernaroth

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    Like people have said, the story revolves around the conflict between the two factions, so if you end one you pretty much end the other. There was a semi-cannonical UK comics story that covered this concept, and what ended up happening is that once the successor of the matrix was chosen, the Autobots, without a threat to unify them, turned on themselves and made new factions, starting the war again.

    What about stories where the Autobots and Decepticons teamed up to fight a non-cybertronian threat? Do you like those stories?
     
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    I believe the poster above you was quoting Michael Behn from Aliens.

    "Game over, man! Game over!" (Yes, I know that's Paxton and not Behn, but it's still a favorite quote of mine.)

    And do like story lines where the factions team up, or divide in unusual ways. But it's always a temporary arrangement, usually ending when the threat passes and the Decepticons try to screw the Autobots over.
     
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    I just think of it like this, even if you do take out all the "heavy hitters" of the Decepticons, there will always be more Decepticons willing to step up and fight. Even if it wasn't a straight up war, all you need is a few core believers to keep the conflict going and the cons have plenty of those. Over time these few Decepticon survivors will grow and develop new weapons and tactics to combat those super strong Autobots and continue the war at an even higher elevated level of destruction.

    The only way for the Autobots to ever achieve "total victory" is to completely exterminate the Decepticons. But doing that would go against the code of the Autobots itself so they refrain and only defend life, not destroy it. But even if they did wipe out every single 'con, such an act would not be without response and it could easily prompt those who weren't willing to fight to rise up and take up that Decepticon flag again in retaliation. In most stories of how the war began, it started because the Decepticons were being treated as lesser citizens by the autobots, so their initial war was a revolution of freedom for those who were oppressed. While they may seem like tyrannical villains bent on destroying and enslaving life, the original beliefs behind their actions were those of wanting to be treated fairly as equal Cybetronians. So those original rebellious beliefs that made them a faction to be followed by all those second class Cybertronians would only just resurface if Prime and his Autobots commited a mass genocide like that.
     
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    oi! do you mind? we're talking about my surfeit of testosterone.

    i'm like a manliness savant. my scrotum -> :bay :bay 
     
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  15. Unfall

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    If they did reach an ultimate victory I'd like the Autobots to start fighting the real threat: MAN-BEAR PIG!:dunce 
     
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    The Autobots purpose is to protect and defend life. If they were to "attack and kill all the Decepticons", they would be no better than them. Thus, the Autobots hold out hoping that the Decepticons will eventually "give up" or "change their ways", and so long as they don't, the Autobots will always be there to try and stop them.

    The Autobots NEVER attack first. The only times they have are during rescue missions.
     
  17. Coeloptera

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    Well, let's look at that for a moment.

    Metroplex countered by Trypiticon.
    Fullstrength Motleypuss countered by Scorponok.
    Omega Supreme Countered by Devastator.

    Let's move on.

    Superion by Menasor.
    Defensor by Bruticus.
    Computron by Abominus

    Then we have Predaking with no direct Autobot counterpart. Maybe Sky Lynx.

    If we want to hit the comics, Piranacon also has no counterpart.

    The Wreckers are countered by the Mayhem Attack Squad.

    It actually isn't assured the Autobots would win in a straight-up slugfest. The 'cons can field Shockwave alone against all 5 Dinobots.

    Also, just plowing in and trying to offline all the Decepticons would mean a staggering number of Autobot casualities, likely making it a Pyrric victory, at best.

    - Coeloptera
     
  18. Backscatter

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    The war will never be over. The Decepticons can never work together well enough. The Autobots won't chase after Decepticons running/flying away. The Autobots need to take a few lessons from Shatter Glass Autobots if they want to win. But then again, they wouldn't really be the Autobots as we've come to know and love. Autobots are "Til all are one!" not "Til all are gone!" :lol 
     
  19. Sol Fury

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    Proactive attacks are not the Autobots' style. The closest they've ever been to a total victory was the Japanese continuity. Over the course of decades, they eventually defeat wave upon wave of Decepticons until all that is left are characters like Battle Gaia. And even then, they came back for another round. Without total extermination - a non-Autobot trait - the Decepticons or another evil force will rise up.

    The best way to achieve a final victory is to defeat the leaders, and make peace with the rest. This actually happened - in Transformers Armada's ending - and it last precisely long enough for Megatron to revive. Once he came back, the war started up full tilt again.

    The only way you'll ever see any sort of ending to the battle is the ending of a series when a new season doesn't have to follow it, and even then, there's always some sort of villains still out there to come back. Even Beast Machines would have included a scene of Obsidian and Strika coming back to Cybertron and declining reformatting. Even Beast Wars left Waspinator on Earth, and Megatron very much alive. Even Energon, which ended with just about every Decepticon dead, or Cybertron, which reformed the last few survivors, have implications that a new war could begin in the postscript (Energon showed other Decepticons were out there, and Megatron came back anyway, Cybertron implied that Starscream was alive in the galaxy, somewhere, and that Galvatron would be forever fighting with Vector Prime outside of normal spacetime).

    That's the closest it ever comes to. Victories, but not total, and definitely not lasting forever. There's always the hints of a new war.
     
  20. chrisr291

    chrisr291 Master of the Unknown

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    The Autobots are whimps.... If it wasn't for Unicron, the Decepticons would of had total Victory in G1!:thumbs2: 
     

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