Fan Art: How "serious" do you like your stompy robot goodness?

Discussion in 'Creative General Discussion' started by destrongerlupus, Feb 10, 2012.

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Are you open to mature content in a web video series about super robots?

  1. Bring it on! I always wanted to see a serious take on the concept.

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  2. Maybe a little, it would depend on what "mature" means and how serious it gets

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  3. "Mature"? We're grown men talking about toys. What seems mature about that?

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  4. Kid-friendly, please! I like to share robotty goodness with my rugrat!

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  1. destrongerlupus

    destrongerlupus #MoreSawBoss

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    As some of you may know, I'm working on a web animation series. Original characters and setting, but all very much inspired by my love of TFs and other mecha-goodness.

    So I'm pretty deep into my world building now (not to mention the first episode's animation), and my themes and plot are developing in such a way that I have the opportunity to approach the robots-from-space genre as a metaphor for some serious ideas, and I'm considering my creative freedom of doing this independantly to take the series in a mature direction.

    So, my question, as the poll asks, is how much of an appetite do you, Internet-robot-media-fan have for mature content in your pulpy living machine nonsense?

    Thanks for your time and votes!
     
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    I don't know. It would really depend on what mature meant.
     
  3. destrongerlupus

    destrongerlupus #MoreSawBoss

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    That's a totally reasonable response, and the one I'm sort of expecting will win out. Can I kick it back to you and ask what sort of "mature" themes would interest you and/or turn you off?

    Thanks!
     
  4. Shwiggie

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    Do you mean "mature" as in presenting complex or controversial beats in a series of character-driven plotlines in a less generic setting; or are you talking about lots of swearing, scads of violence, and copious robot sex?

    I mean, a degree of violence is a given, but using human swearing would be odd and robot sex would be scary.
     
  5. destrongerlupus

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    I'm aiming for a complex story driven by real motivations driven by the things people (my primary audience ;) ) care about and sometimes find divisive, all filtered through the lens of the "robot-parable" which I think is a powerful metaphor for this moment in our cultural evolution as a species. I think it's why the 80's generation, and seemingly every generation since, has latched onto this alien-robots concept so firmly, it's a way of mythologizing and grappling with a world where technology is faster and bigger than us.

    My philosophical rationale for wanting to tell this story aside, to answer your question, I agree, I don't think violence is anything anyone would blink an eye at, even the censors back in the day seemed to feel that 'cause they're robots, the violence doesn't matter.

    Where I'm tempted to dive into more turbulent waters is driving the robot story into concepts and places that make people uncomfortable.

    At it's heart the story I'm planning deals with questions about what it means to belong to a species and/or culture, and what lengths are acceptable to go to in order to preserve a species and/or culture.

    Swearing is silly and cheap, so I'm not going there, but because I'm concerned with concepts of multi-generational identity and survival, I do plan on dealing with robot-reproduction, but not in any way that could be interpreted as titillating or pornographic, and certainly not copiously, but hopefully in ways that will bring the audience to a point where they might consider asking questions about their inherited cultural beliefs and mores.

    So yeah, I'm crazy, but I wouldn't be pouring my heart soul and every scrap of free time and a not-insignificant amount of my income into producing this project if I didn't feel passionately about the possibilities to use the symbolic potential of this genre to say and do something meaningful.

    BUT, because I would like to have a shot at building an audience, I'm giving serious consideration to, and seeking input on, whether to tackle the sub-text head-on or to bury it a little deeper and keep the format a bit more "traditional."

    Either way, there's gonna a lot of fun "kewl robot action" because, after all, that's a huge part of the appeal of this stuff, naturally!

    Hope that helps clarify a bit!
    D/L
     
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    If this is what "mature" refers to, then my answer is "Yes!". You managed to hit upon the subject of "mature" and "ignorance" within your own post, so I don't really feel the need to explain my thoughts there either.

    That being said, there are subjects that can certainly be tackled, but it often depends upon the method of which they are handled and portrayed. Since you mentioned "subtext", often times if things are written well, things can be dealt with on a subtle level.

    I wish you well on your project :) 
     
  7. destrongerlupus

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    Thanks for the input so far, you guys have been more open to the idea than I really expected, which is heartening!

    'Quad- thanks for the well wishing, you really are one of the best cheer-leaders for creative expression in this fandom!

    D/L
     
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    I don't think that departs from what's been established. Mobile Suit Gundam and Macross were both heavily centered on "mature" aspects of war and death, and the psychological effects those have on the protagonists (and in many cases, even antagonists).

    A lot of series from the late 80's on brought a lot more kiddiness to the genre, but there have still been shows like (again Gundam) The 08th MS Team which dealt heavily with the drama and character development rather than bouncy tits and super robot finishers.
     
  9. destrongerlupus

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    I certainly didn't mean to imply that mature-mecha properties have never existed before, you're right Gundam and Macross certainly have had their share of serious story telling.

    But it IS noteworthy that both of those examples, and most every other series that's tried to be serious, involve PILOTED mecha. They're deep HUMAN stories where the humans just happen to be driving humanoid war-machines instead of wearing Samurai Armor.

    There are a few examples, I'm sure, where living-robot-fiction has tried to be serious, TF at it's best has gone there a few times, and Brave Police J-Decker springs to mind as one show that tried and succeeded at doing some meaningful stuff within it's kid-vid boundaries.

    But it's the exception, rather than the rule.

    Anyway, thank you for your input, it's very valuable to me!
     
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    I wasn't trying to imply that either. I got a bit distracted while typing that out and lost where I was going. LOL. Had company over at the house.

    But yeah, I'm in full support of this. I think Transformers made the switch from being intended for American audiences to Headmasters and so forth for primarily Japanese viewing just that little bit too late. It hit that late-80's to early-90's mark where the Mecha genre and Anime in general went from just being tv shows that were animated to a lot of it being cartoons for kids. And it's a shame. As you said, it would be nice to see angst and psychological effects taking a toll on what we deem as "robots."
     
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    With all of this being said, just make sure your story isn't super serious.
     
  12. destrongerlupus

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    I think J-TF'ss big mistake (in this regard and context, anyway) was having Headmasters emulate the style of USTF. Masterforce did some good work. Cancer/Minerva's arc (not to mention the rest of the Jackboys), Hydra&Buster's purge of their humanity, and Ginrai's path from trucker-to-hero all had potential. I think Victory, though out of vogue at the moment, was trying, especially if you take the Manga into account, both sides were driven by their desire to protect the innocent (albeit DIFFERENT & conflicting innocents), the Ginrai-to-Victory-Leo subplot from the Cartoon, and the whole gig with Solon from the manga, were also ripe with potential, and to some degree handled well.

    ABSOLUTELY. One of my goals is to keep the pacing and "colorfulness" at a level which will suit the sensibilities of an American audience. There will be lots of levity to counterbalance the serious underlying stuff.

    One of my main characters is unabashedly pirate-themed.

    I'm going for "meaningful" not "dark and gloomy"!

    Thanks again for the input and discussion, guys, it's super valuable, and also very inspiring to keep me plugging away at this thing!

    D/L
     

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