how many sweeps are there minus scourge?

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  1. miasboytoy

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    i havent watched the series in a while and i have seen the 1986 movie enough times. i still am not sure how many sweeps there are suppose to be excluding scourge. i remember 1 episode where they said they sent sweep 7 and 8. also did cyclonus have an armada too? in the movie i kinda remember there being a second cyclonus ship being reformatted? thanks if anyone can clear this up.
     
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    The most prominent on screen was 3 or 4.
     
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    As many as the script calls for.

    Cyclonus was supposed to have an armada, but the idea got dropped. For some reason, the bit with Unicron saying "... and his armada" was left in.
     
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    I think there's a potentially unlimited number of them.
     
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    the sweeps and the cyclonus armada were beat up bots that were converted, So I guess the only way to know for sure is see how many were tossed out of Astrotrain and how many are seen after the Unicron reformat or whatever. if anyone has the movie handy I would be curious to also know?
     
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    There were five, aside from Megatron, tossed out.

    Thundercracker, Skywarp, and the three Insecticons. Skywarp and Thundercracker became Scourge and Cyclonus (now watch the thread devolve into a debate about THAT...) and the Insecticons became the Sweeps and Armada (2 Sweeps, 1 Armada)
     
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    Ah, but if the Insecticons became Sweeps, the Sweeps might retain the Insecticons cloning abilities. Besides, far more Sweeps got shot down in the course of the Movie and Season 3 than can possibly be accounted for by the 'Cons thrown out of Astrotrain.

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    It started with five but they were blow-up fodder, once the new combiners came in and Scourge became a focus, they didn't show the others anymore. To follow all the way to the early Headmasters episodes, Scourge was the only one to appear, so eventually the Sweeps were gone completely.
     
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    I remember cyclonus having an armada or clone but only one in the movie
     
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    You damn skippy it's gonna devolve, courtesy of me and my :2c: .

    I don't know what the comics did, but I do remember watching Skywarp reformat into Scourge YouTube - Transformers The Movie '86 - Galvatron morph
    (about 1:13 in) and afterward Bombshell gets reformatted into Cyclonus with Thundercracker becoming a cyclonus clone/part of the supposed armada.

    This always confused me because to me, Bombshell's head seems to be similar to Scourge's which makes me think he should have been reformatted to Scourge and not Cyclonus. And Skywarp to me made more sense as Cyclonus. But oh well, actual footage doesn't lie.
     
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    But you have to remember that, in some alternate universe episode that isn't on any of my DVDs, Skywarp was Megatron's favorite and was fanatically loyal.

    Apparently.
     
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    this is what i kinda remember too, but in one of the last season episodes (i forget which one) it did mention sweep 7 and 8. based on the movie i think you are correct.

     
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    Is that not Thundercracker becoming Scourge?
    Right here is how i see it (Everyone else is wrong :tongue:  )
    Thundercracker became Scourge, Skywarp became Cyclonus and the Insecticons became 3 Sweeps. (Lets ignore Armada since they/he were supposed to be cut) Any other Sweep is a Bombshell clone.
     
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    :bowdown:  thank you for saying it first. given the clone ability it just made sense that the insecticons were the sweeps. dont forget cyclonus had an extra too
     
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    As mentioned, as many as a story needed.

    Originally, there were 3, "Armada" (The Cyclonus twin), Cyclonus, and Scourge. However, the Dinobots destroyed a Sweep during the second attack on Autobot City. Then in season 3, they seemed to multiply like rabbits, with a dozen sometimes on screen, including another 2 as memory serves being killed off over the course of 'Five Faces of Darkness'. In the Japanese Cartoon continuity, the Sweeps fell off the radar pretty fast, disapearing alltogether almost right away.

    As for who became who, no one became anyone. Skywarp and Thundercracker are both at Starscreams Coronation along with the Insecticons, Shrapnel clearly shows up during the Autobot/Decepticon battle on junk, and Skywarp, Thundercracker, and Starscream (?!) fight off Unicron later. So apparantly it was Megatron and the stunt doubles that got thrown out.
     
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    "You idiots! You've captured their stunt doubles!"
     
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    That put a bad image in my head.
     
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