How did you feel when Sam betrayed humanity?

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  1. Shizuka

    Shizuka Optimus Prime's scriptor

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    This always got to me. At the end of the day despite the absurd fact that 9 Autobots beat God know how many Decpeticons, how did you feel when Sam asked Optimus what his strategy would be?

    It was luck that Optimus found it necessary to fool Sam too unless he knew of the Decepticon on Sam's wrist. Even still Sam asked if the Autobots leaving was a plan. Ultimately Sam intended to give away the Autobots plans to the Decepticons even though it was to save Carly.
     
  2. Nerdicon

    Nerdicon Caffene=Energon

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    I feel that the watch was also having the same effect on Sam as was a similar artifact to Wang. (having wang under the influence is the only way he was tolerable to me). I did feel it was one of the better acting moments for Shia. In a pure emotional sense, that whole scene was powerful. From his forced betrayal to the use of the Arrival theme from the first film as a moment of utter loss and hopelessness... It's really the shining point of the movie for me.... There is no plan...
     
  3. Aernaroth

    Aernaroth <b><font color=blue>I voted for Super_Megatron and Veteran

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    "Hey Sam! What caused you to sell out your friends, who've saved your life on numerous occasions, their allies, who are all that stands between us and Decepticon conquest, and your species as a whole?"
    "... pussy."
     
  4. Maximo Prime

    Maximo Prime Bassist of Ill Repute

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    he was acting for the watch, not actually betraying humanity. when he said no human would ever find out, or whatever it was he said when he mentioned humans, he was implying the Decepticons WERE definitely listening. it wad the only way to alert Op without getting zapped.
     
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    First time watching the film and not having read the book, I thought that scene was brilliant. Sam was being forced to ask what Prime's plan was for Dylan, but the way it was worded and done made it seem that he himself wanted to know that the Autobots would come back for them and that he would have asked them that question regardless of the alien watch.

    In hindsight, still my favorite part of the movie and my favorite version of the scene (I prefer this over how he picked his words deliberately to warn Prime in the book) and I don't think it would have changed anything if he didn't ask or lied asides from Carly being killed. Screams would still shoot the hell out of the Xantium.
     
  6. Bluebe6

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    I noticed he was pretty uncomfortable when he asked, but if a guy loves a girl, he'll do almost anything for her. Dylan told Sam to do what he says, and Carly will be safe.
     
  7. harrismonkey

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    Yeah. I'm not getting the impression everyone caught that.
     
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    I never cought that!!!!! Wow!
     
  9. Prowl

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    Always took that as Sam's way to hint to Prime that there was something not right about his question, even if it pained him to ask it.
     
  10. Mister Gone

    Mister Gone Macro-Con

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    These movies are not about feelings they are about explosions. You are supposed to turn your brain off when you are watching them I thought.
     
  11. Autovolt 127

    Autovolt 127 Get In The Titan, Prime!

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    Oh whatever he's still a spaz.
     
  12. Autobus Prime

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    I felt like saying "No no no no no no no no no!"
     
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    Didn't bother me. Just there for the explosions.
     
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    I think the Autobots should have killed sam, too.
     
  15. TylerMirage

    TylerMirage I vawnt my berdt.

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    "I understand. No feelings...only 'SPLOSIONS."
     
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    bellpeppers A Meat Popsicle

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    Nice pussy... but pussy never the less.
     
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    I pretty much couldn't give a crap. I was kinda hoping something actually bad would happen.
     
  18. raptor22

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    This!
     
  19. Prime Jetscream

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    He did word his sentence to warn Prime.

    Quote: "No other human will ever know".
     
  20. KnightHawkke

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    Numb, because I knew it was coming. It was painfully obvious considering the plot.
    Boy meets alien bot
    Boy and alien bot run around
    Alien bot's crew joins the military
    Military keeps boy away for security reasons.
    Boy fails like a champ under the first bit of real coercion he has faced to its full conclusion.
    Military was right all along.


    /shrug simple Bay logic
     

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