How did Sam know he need to push the AllSpark to Megatron's chest to kill him?

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by NemesisPrime12, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. NemesisPrime12

    NemesisPrime12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Posts:
    653
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Likes:
    +526
    Back in the first movie (2007), how did Sam know that AllSpark could kill Megatron while no one (especially the Autobots) never told him about this?
     
  2. QLRformer

    QLRformer Seeker

    Joined:
    Jan 10, 2012
    Posts:
    16,470
    News Credits:
    11
    Trophy Points:
    302
    Likes:
    +3,055
    Optimus told him to push it into his chest, as a self-sacrificing ploy. Sam decided to do it to Megatron instead.
     
    • Like Like x 15
  3. NemesisPrime12

    NemesisPrime12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Posts:
    653
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Likes:
    +526
    Yeah but how Sam know that pushing an AllSpark on a Transformer could destroy it? Optimus told that to his fellow Autobots, but not Sam.

    Also, if Sam did that, and Optimus destroys himself along with Megatron. Does it mean the remaining Autobots are left without a leader and the Decepticons could hunt for an AllSpark piece on Earth and revive Megatron without Optimus (and probably Autobots, because they will probably leave Earth)?
     
  4. NemesisPrime12

    NemesisPrime12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2017
    Posts:
    653
    Trophy Points:
    137
    Likes:
    +526
    Okay nvm about this, I remember Optimus told Sam before he asked Sam to get behind him
     
  5. SimbaTron

    SimbaTron Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Posts:
    650
    News Credits:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    162
    Location:
    England,UK
    Likes:
    +537
    It’s simple Optimus said to push it into his chest to sacrifice himself to destroy the Allspark because that’s what Megatron wanted, so if Megatron wants it, no one will have it so destroying it will be the only solution.
     
  6. Ash from Carolina

    Ash from Carolina Junior Smeghead

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2007
    Posts:
    15,321
    Trophy Points:
    337
    Likes:
    +1,887
    Even with Prime telling Sam it still wasn't a 100% sure that shoving the artifact into someone's chest would actually both kill the robot and destroy the artifact at the same time. Since it had never been done before it might have done nothing. It might have killed the robot but left the artifact unharmed. It might have caused the robot to go all Super Saiyan with that sort of power.

    So it still ends up as one of those leap of faith moments that movies love to do. The hero doesn't know exactly what will happen but they take a massive gamble that things will work out for the best.
     
    • Like Like x 10
  7. Rumblestorm

    Rumblestorm Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2013
    Posts:
    2,259
    News Credits:
    5
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +1,443
    "If I cannot defeat Megatron, you must push the cube into my chest. I will sacrifice myself to destroy it."
     
    • Like Like x 13
  8. The621

    The621 Fuck you, that's why!

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2006
    Posts:
    5,023
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Likes:
    +37
    It's in the script.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  9. Cosbydaf

    Cosbydaf Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2007
    Posts:
    1,567
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Likes:
    +1,210
    The Allspark was one of the best TF macguffins and destroying it in movie one was a bad idea.
     
  10. jaws

    jaws Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2006
    Posts:
    3,486
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    262
    Location:
    OHIO
    Likes:
    +1,527
    The Allspark is a vessel, it cannot be destroyed, it can only be transformed; what The Fallen told Megatron
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Cosbydaf

    Cosbydaf Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 13, 2007
    Posts:
    1,567
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Likes:
    +1,210
    He says that, but it's meaningless. It's power (turning machines into Transformers) is never used again. Optimus gets it's "knowledge" at the end and this could have led to some amazing revalation like "I know how to rebuild Cybertron now" but instead it leads to nothing and it never mentioned again.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. BarricadeLives

    BarricadeLives i'm you! i'm your shadow!

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2014
    Posts:
    1,912
    Trophy Points:
    192
    Likes:
    +1,246
    probably the weakest part of film 1 in my opinion...so optimus is ready to needlessly sacrifice himself right after sweeping off megatron's right leg, severely impacting his effectiveness? so then what? megatron just squashes sam?

    also found it silly they dumped all the cons into the abyss...why wouldn't they keep them for research purposes? they've already proven they can keep them in stasis
     
  13. Awesomepow

    Awesomepow Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2017
    Posts:
    6,206
    News Credits:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    222
    Likes:
    +2,644
    Cuz he's Shiaaaaaaa:bay 
     
    • Like Like x 1
  14. GoLion

    GoLion I'm just doing my job

    Joined:
    Nov 7, 2014
    Posts:
    5,819
    News Credits:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    242
    Likes:
    +1,438
    Didn't prime say he would expose it to his own spark? I vaguely remember something about that.
     
  15. JazzIsBack

    JazzIsBack Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2007
    Posts:
    1,705
    Trophy Points:
    232
    Likes:
    +265
    Prime specifically tells Sam this, the problem is you wouldn't really want Megatron to be that close to the cube. Sam's line of thought was probably Prime's spark + Allspark = dead robot plus dead artifact. So when he had that opening just replaced one spark for another.
     
  16. Yohan PLMIXMB

    Yohan PLMIXMB Not well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2017
    Posts:
    336
    News Credits:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    122
    Location:
    Poland,Warsaw
    Likes:
    +309
    Facebook:
    YouTube:
    The first thing that struck me was killing Nokia-bot using all spark with too much energy.
    Sam was in this scene.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. ProtectronPrime

    ProtectronPrime I don't want to set the world on fire...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Posts:
    1,169
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Likes:
    +1,553
    Ebay:
    I routinely defeat my enemies by jamming immensely powerful religious artifacts into their bellybuttons. Doesn't everyone? :D 
     
  18. flamepanther

    flamepanther Interested, but not really

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2005
    Posts:
    13,021
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +2,091
    Sounds like some kind of badass vampire-hunting fantasy, actually.

    Come to think of it, that one guy from the Zelda games keeps doing this too ;) 
     
  19. ProtectronPrime

    ProtectronPrime I don't want to set the world on fire...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2016
    Posts:
    1,169
    Trophy Points:
    187
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    Likes:
    +1,553
    Ebay:
    Tingle?
     
  20. flamepanther

    flamepanther Interested, but not really

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2005
    Posts:
    13,021
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +2,091
    Yeah, sure.

    KOOLOO-LIMPAH!
     

Share This Page