HiDef Format wars question

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  1. Prowl2000

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    Does anyone know the reasons for Fox and Disney's exclusive deal with BlueRay? I know that one of the main reasons Universal is with HD DVD is because of their Online capabilities. I'm wondering if I missed something about the BlueRay spec or something. Does it have better copy protection?
     
  2. Joe Moore

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    Actually, Universal is the only company that's putting their Hi-Def stuff exclusively on HD-DVD. Everyone else is either Blu-Ray only or doing both. But, right now, Blu-Ray can hold more info on the discs than HD-DVD, though the HD-DVD camp claims they have larger capacity discs in the works.

    I figure this is the year that one of the formats finally gets to play second fiddle to DVD for good.
     
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    IIRC, Yes.
     
  4. Drake

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    Hopefully the Target only carrying BlueRay at Xmas and Blockbuster going that way will finally solve the format war.
     
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    How can a disc format have "online capabilities" that others don't?
     
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    blueray sounds cooler, it rolls off your tongue

    But I'm not buying any of it, too expensive. I might get into it once its been the standard for a few years, and when you can get the players for $30 dollars, and the TV's for $100

    for now, im sticking with buying older VHS movies, most which will probably never see a new format (like The Muppets Christmas Toy), plus they're original, so they'll be worth the most in the long run.
     
  7. Joe Moore

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    It's the software they are using to create the content on the discs, as well as software in the HD-DVD players themselves. Blu-Ray is using a different type of software for their discs.

    This was actually one of the beiggest stumbling blocks for both companies when they tried to merge the formats. From what I understand Sony had offered their format to use with Toshiba's software as a combined format to prevent the format war. Toshiba wanted to use the combined format to simply be HD-DVD with pretty much nothing from Blu-Ray.
     
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    All I can come to is that BlueRay has some better copy protection and some more forceful executives behind it than HD DVD. I have an HD DVD player and I think its great but would like to see some more mainstream movies released for it. But the best I have seen either way it looks like a waiting game. Heroes should be nice though.
     
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    I don't know why certain studios are takings sides. But when I was looking at upcoming BD releases the site noted that 7 of the 8 major studios are supporting the BD format while only 3 are supporting HD-DVD.
     
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    03Mach1 Reason Has No Voice

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    The following list of comapanies who support Blu-ray is really all you need to know to answer your questions. It's a who's who of entertainment and technology.

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    I have already seen both formats ripped to a hard drive.
    Technology is technology's worst enemy.

    Blu-ray may have larger capacity discs, but HD-DVD movies start quicker and skip chapters quicker, too. Blu-ray seems like HD-DVD with lag, truthfully.
    It's not too bad, but it is noticeably slower than HD-DVD.

    As far as how the movies look, I think they both look equally incredible.
     
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    I thought porn companies are using hd-dvd...If so I think the format won't die :p 
     
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    It was announced that Sony are opening up their production facilities to the porn studios to make Blu-Ray DVD's. :lol 
     
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    While for the most part I have preferred HD-DVDs over Blu-Ray, I have to disagree with you on this one. In my experience, the Blu-Ray has been faster in all of these areas. But I think it's more to do with the player than the disc really. I'm using a PS3 and 360 HD-DVD drive respectively. Chapter skipping on the PS3 for me has been almost instantaneous, though it usually happens by accident because I drop the controller or something.
     
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    Some of the points I was able to find yesterday for HD DVD is that its region free. I didn't see anything about Blue Ray, but I can see why the studios wouldn't want to support a format that you can import movies from another country and play them back without problem.

    I do think that the long term will be a diskless format where you have to pay per viewing, or at the very least that's what will take over after the HD format has its run.
     
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    I am planning to finally upgrade my TV to a 40" samsung LCD, and I too am curious as to which format will beat the other. But I feel that I shouldnt purchase either player until there is one difinitive winner. Question is, how long will that take?
     
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    If reports are right and the Commonwealth is considering doing two Tax-free Weekends next month, I may run out and buy the best priced 42" Plasma I can find.

    My solution (which truthfully, may be completely wrong) is to get a new DVD player that up-converts to HD format. Sure I'll be missing out on all the cool features of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, but until the format war is over and there is a clear winner, I figure this is the best way to proceed.
     
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    That's actually some pretty damn good thinking. The question is how much would the up-convert cost, and how long will it last? I've been told by several people, who consider themselves experts, that the format war would end within the next year or two. Is it worth it to buy the up-convert to only, possibly, go out and buy an HD or blue-ray?
     
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    At the moment, both are using AACS. Now that BD+ has been finalized, you'll start seeing Blu-ray movies protected by it. This will prevent people from ripping the discs... at least until it too is hacked.

    As far as enhanced features and internet connectivity go, HD DVD currently has the advantage. Newer Blu-ray titles are finally supporting these things but to take advantage of them, you'll need a new player that supports the new BD-Video 1.1 spec.

    I have drives for both in my PC. I won't be buying a settop player until there is a clear winner. Hopefully this will happen after the holiday season.
     
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    Blu-Ray already is the clear winner. It's over really. Only thing left is for Universal to go neutral.

    No reason to buy an upconverting DVD player. If you're going to buy a new player, buy an HD capable player. Otherwise you'll just be buying it later. Upconverting is nice and all, but next to HD it's crap.
     

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