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  1. Tigertrack

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    Okay guy's. In the G1 cartoon series, the Autobots got their butts kicked by the Decepticons. They go home, and Ratchet fixes them, and their ready to do battle the next day.
    In the 1986 movie, when the Decepticons smashed their way into the Autobots ship, it took only one shot to totally kill Prowl, Ironhide, and few others? What gives?
    How come in the TV show, they can take a licking and keep on ticking, yet in the movies it's one shot and their dead?
     
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    Simple,the "TO SELL TOYS" method. the old toyline needs to leave in order to give out new things,its not like Optimus and Screamer would return due to THEIR popularity,no siree. so basicly hasbro just added that excuse to kill off the guys in the movie,that and well its pg,and robots. so ofcourse someone is gunna die somehow.
     
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    That simple eh?
     
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    Pretty much. what ya expect from a 30-minute commercial with added story line,well in this case A hour and a few minutes.
     
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    Truth hurts, doesn't it?
     
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    Well what I mean is it's like any TV show. The bad guy's can shoot and shoot and shoot, never run out of bullets, and not hit there target.
    Then at the end, when the bad guy's supposed to die, it takes the good guy just one shot at some impossible distance, angle, or whatever, oh and it's his last bullet too.
     
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    lets just say ZE Villian's (Megatron's) two-season pew-pew battery is almost running out,so he took the new plot device (roddy here) as a hostage just so the old plot device (prime) would BACK OFF! so ZE Villian shot him,try his typical "its over,any last words?" thing while the HEROIC PLOT DEVICE (optimus prime) does a EPIC SACRIFICE by Pushing himself and megs into a random pit,then cue the dramatic death of optimus prime,yeah people cried when it happened,childhood. its a rollercoaster of emotions. just like the rest of life anyways.
     
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    Because it was before they realized they could crank out five or six variations and redecos of one character, so they thought, "Well, we're just gonna have to kill 'em all and replace 'em with new characters." I can't say for sure whether it's that, or to add the jarring, dramatic effect that those deaths achieve in a way unique to film - spending dozens of episodes endearing the characters to children, and having them croaked in fifteen seconds in totally brutal fashion in a movie.
     
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    I believe Ironhide took more then 1 shot to be killed.:popcorn 

    But beyond that, keep in mind that the toon was a tv show, on the air durring kids hour and targeted at kids...in the 80's.

    Toon's in the 80s pretty much always had a "happy ending" with the good guys winning.And no deaths or serious injuries.

    The movie was just that, a "movie".They had the ability to raise the stakes and make a more mature story.

    If you notice season 3 returned to the no kill policy.
     
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    Because the film was able to be more flexible with its depictions of violence and could draw an MPAA rating of PG.

    The cartoon had to adhere to more rules in its depiction of violence.

    In simpler terms- the show had censors and the movie didn't.
     
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    In season two, when the Aerialbots are created, Alpha Trion dies while interfacing with Vector Sigma and his spark ends up there.
     
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    like msot people sayed. FOR SELL TOYS!
     
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    Sorry but that wasnt a "death".

    He"merged" with VS.

    And that merger wasnt even a true merger.He still talked true VG with individualism.
     
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    It's a phenomenon that extends far beyond Transformers the Movie. Look at any TV show or video game like Marcatron said - characters who routinely dish out and take improbable amounts of damage get killed all the time in mundane ways for "dramatic" effect. For example, a certain famous Final Fantasy heroine died after getting stabbed, in spite of not too long ago surviving duels with enemies who used attacks from tsunamis of sewage to machine guns to running her over...

    Bottom line, it is whatever the plot dictates needs to happen. The film needed these old characters to be taken out to allow the new cast to come in, and that is how they did it. By turning off the safety on the weapons.

    And yes, Alpha Trion did die in The Key to Vector Sigma, I don't feel it was a merger. More like his wisdom joined the accumulated wisdom of the ages in the ill-defined Transformers afterlife or something. Or retcon it and say he carried on because he's one of the first 13.
    Technically, you also saw some deaths in War Dawn, and there's the ending of Dark Awakening. Optimus might have got better, but the end of that episode was still outright gruesome with half his face getting blown off and everything.

    There were some violent scenes in the regular series. They just raised the stakes in the Movie for the sake of selling toys.
     
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    Actually, if you think about it, it was death... In the same sense that someday you or I will die.
     
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    If that's the case, Prime didn't really "die" in the movie because at the end, he speaks through the Matrix and says "Arise Rodimus Prime" with a distinctly Optimus Prime voice.
     
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    I'm with STo- A3 didn't die.
    Sure, his body might not function any more but he merges with VS.

    Hair splitting.

    But grusome scenes or not, there were still censors that the series had that the film didn't have to adhere to.
     
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    :jawdropper: 

    To the OP, as you said, they'd be fine after Ratchet fixed them up in the series, so the master part of Megatron's plan in the movie was to kill Ratchet on that shuttle first, no Ratchet, no more fixed Autobots. All they had was Perceptor, who gave up without trying. It wasn't until season 3 when First Aid reappeared from wherever he was hiding during the movie that the Autobots stopped getting killed. :) 

    Edit: Also, Wheelie killed a Sweep in season 3. Freakin' WHEELIE made the only kill on the t.v. series.
     
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    Th way I look at it is that the movie is the way it should have been all along (ie consequences to violent actions).
     
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