Hasbro is handling the movie line a little strangely.

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  1. The Demolisher

    The Demolisher Banned

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    I know a lot of people are looking forward to this; but there are a lot of people that would probably have loved a Voyager Bumblebee-without-legs-on-the-back-of-a-truck.

    It just strikes me as a terrible choice - the character barely appears in the movie, and doesn't appear in the trailer.

    It blatantly should have been Blackout or Starscream - while Blackout is still somewhat of a "minor" character, he is in his own right Iconic because of the trailer. He's also the only Decep that really looks like an "Oldschool" Transformer.

    Though I'm not overly fond of Starscream(The design makes absolutely no sense for the character, and no I don't care for "THis isn't G1 Starscream!" if you're going to use such an iconic name, don't throw it around with chicken legs on it), it's still a decent enough bot that should have gotten a Leader sized toy. Why? First off, he actually IS a "Leader" somewhat in the movie, and is a heck of a lot more important than Brawl.

    Also, no G1 repaint for Starscream. It's grown on me a little, but it's still tacky. Instead, just include the G1 head with the Voyager and Leader as a sort of apology to the G1 SS fangirls. I love interchangable heads.

    Also - there's a lot of BS around why Starscream looks the way he does. It's been pretty much confirmed that Bay wanted him to look that way - but at least for the toy, they could have fixed the arms up a bit. The problem with the movie design isn't the "mass" - it's the positioning of the arms. They're places at the ENDS of his width which looks like of silly and cartoon ape/troll-like. What if they were placed in further, with the body mass swept back as wings? Much cooler.

    Either way, the toy needs it's arms to go in a lot further, and the guns needed to be removable. Having the only good Screamer toy have no hands is kind of bad.

    The Alt mode really can't be helped, sadly.

    We shouldn't have gotten a Leader Brawl - it's not really needed. We shouldn't have gotten a Voyager either - we should "Just" have gotten a Voyager, for now. If they release a Leader Screamer and Blackout- then they can release a Leader Brawl(good for scaling purposes).

    There are just so many bemusing and plain wrong decisions in this line, IMO.

    Aside from Leader Brawl, another thing which is odd is Ratchet. Did they really think he was going to sell with that colour? Maybe in the 80s it was okay for the Constructicons, but not only is Ratchet a much "muddier" and "snottier" version of that colour, the door doesn't even match the rest of him.

    Ratchet should have been "Masterchief Green" like the original design pics suggested. I love the mould but the colour makes me sick and I'm nowhere near good enough to repaint it, nor do I like the Geewun repaint enough to buy it instead of waiting for the TF:Animated Ratchet.

    Arcee - Shouldn't she have been a Basic/Scout? I do like the Scout Arcee repaint we got, and the Deluxe Arcee. I'm guessing for the sequel they'll use the same design but make her a basic. They also should have used the G1 helmet for the toy instead of the Nightscream 'do - the early Arcee designs used it(and a slightly more interesting face).

    '08 Bumblebee - REALLY should have come with his battle Head. It's sad we're not getting this, at all. Could take some plastic from the gun to make it, or something.

    Robot Replicas - Alright, the scale bothers me here. While you can't have them in scale, you could at least have them in sequential scale - Blackout is bigger than Starscream is Bigger than Megs is Bigger than Prime is bigger than Ratchet and Ironhide is bigger than etc.

    Basically, around 6.5" for the huge guys 6" for the Leaders, 5.5" for the Voyagers and 5" for the cars. It's scale balancing- Marvel Legends is "6"" but in reality, it's 5.2 inch to 8.3 inch. Charge a little more for the extra size needed to keep the Cars around deluxe size, maybe. Or bug guys come with less/cheaper accessories.They're a great idea but they needed to think them through a bit better.

    Bonecrusher - I actually quite like him being a Deluxe, I don't know why. I guess Deluxe Bonecrusher and Brawl, and Voyager Ratchet are kind of inscale with the car LOCs, which is cool. But he needed a Voyager from the get go, IMO.

    Leader Prime - I know a lot of people LOVE this figure, but at the same time, it's rather sad when the voyager is considerably more movie accurate. I think that they should have sold Leader Prime as some special gimmicky thing, and had a more movie accurate Leader Prime.

    Leader Megatron - A whole load of Ew, Wtf. I've considered buying him on clearance before, he's KIND of nifty, but that alt mode is just bad - just because it's an alien jet and the movie guys drew a blank on it doesnt' mean the toy designers should too - do SOMETHING to make me want this toy. And it's amazing how much more accurate it looks when it's silver - though I appreciate the colour that the movie version needs and lacks too. Whole thing needed rethinking.

    Movie Alts! Where are they? Was there really a need to cancel alts when you could use it to work with the movie? A jazz would have been great, especially if it got a G1 repaint - it would mean we finally get a "Good" Alt Jazz(the Mazda just really doesn't suit him, heck it looks better on Shockwave).

    They only needed to release a few - Bumbles, Jazz, and a Barricade. Make these instead of that terrible Ultimate Bumblebee, another bemusing decision - why did they make a toy that's less accurate in the chest than one that costs 9 times less? Bumblebee, Jazz and Barricade would have cost less than Ultimate Bumblebee together and you can bet they would have sold well.

    Human figures - should have had a set of miniatures, just to make movie scenes more epic and interesting. After all, they did make up about 60% of the movie. Could have come with accesories to the RRs or the smaller deluxes like Frenzy did.

    Anyone got anything else they'd have liked done differently?
     
  2. Turbocharger

    Turbocharger We should get more letter

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    You know why they made all that?


    Because they know people will spend money on it.
     
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    The tow truck toy is from the video game, one of the many drones. It's painted to look like the truck in the movie though.

    Nope, i'm pretty much happy with the movie line, as it is.
     
  4. The Demolisher

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    I am very interested, as to how you think Leader Brawl as opposed to Leader Blackout or Leader Starscream was a good idea. I am also interested to know why exactly you think Ratchet's doors not matching the rest of him is perfection. I'm also extremely intrigued as to how in no shape or form should Voyager Starscream should have had hands, lest it spoil the quaint perfection of the line.

    The sheer probability of you genuinely thinking the movie is perfect, and the toyline "essentially" perfect, is practically nil. Come on, stop being a drone. Hasbro must have done something to get your goat.
     
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    Man, life as a transfan is tough
     
  6. GogDog

    GogDog Logic's wayward son Veteran

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    Don't ask for an opinion and then insult people when they disagree. It's the fastest way to get a thread locked.
     
  7. gamer

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    Your misspelled the word color.
     
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    Geez, grow up.

    Where did I say the toy line was perfect? I didn't. I said i'm happy with the way they did things. Back on my ignore list you go.
     
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    For me, it would have been

    1. Bigger sizes for certain characters right from the start such as Bonecrusher, Brawl and Blackout but maybe Hasbro didn't dare make the characters as such a scale because they were wary that they couldn't sell. Eg. Supreme Cheetor.

    2. Design. Some of the designs were really far out. For example, Bonecrusher looks so exo-skeleton like...doesn't fit with Brawl and Barricade.

    With regards to Starscream, I DON'T know the full details but I think Hasbro wasn't happy with his movie design.

    3. Colour scheme. Yeah, I agree with Ratchet...good toy but the colours...another one that falls into this is Megatron. I can tolerate the design but the colours are off. For example, "fairy wings" but I can understand Hasbro for giving him more colours - more attractive to kids.

    I won't really blame Hasbro for some of the flaws of the movie figures...its like they had to er, "comply" with movie designs. And I dig the line.

    This seems a pretty good thread...as long as its er, the discussion here doesn't get personal.
     
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    It is not over disagreeing with someone's opinion - it's because someone's opinion is probabilistically impossible to BE a genuine opinion. This guy considers the movie to be 100% without flaw, and considers the toyline, while not perfect, to be pretty damn close to it, to the effect where well, he can't find any flaw.

    Do you understand this? You can claim I'm not telling the truth but then you'd have to back it up and follow your own reasoning as when you tell me I can't criticise others' opinions. Balancing the probability of him genuinely feeling that way and it being out of a rather irritating overdriven enthusiasm, it's a no brainer.

    I am not accepting any more BS over what I say regarding that. If I'm wrong, and probability theory has suddenly poofed out of existence, then prove it. Until then, I'm going with what I know to be psychological, mathematical and sociological truths.

    Because it isn't my opinion - it's objective fact. Most people are raised to respect OPINIONS above all else(including, especially including, the people that hold them), and do not understand probability or the idea that said opinions can possibly conflict with reality - which is why you have this creationism/neo-con/fundie BS all over the place. This is no different. It is a I'm not telling anyone what they can or can't like - merely pointing out how cosmically unlikely it is that they're being genuine.

    You shouldn't let needless sensitivities on the way of pointing out the truth - this is exactly what you're doing.

    Either way, this is about odd decisions in the movie line, so let's get back to that.
     
  11. The Demolisher

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    The blitzwing repaint is further unncessary. Should have repainted Megatron instead, he needs it more.
     
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    what Blitzwing repaint?
     
  13. GogDog

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    Yeah, I was like, "What?"
     
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    Ratchet should be either red/white or yellow/white. I will agree the color is a bit strange, but I think they were going for the yellow EMS color scheme. Don't know if the color came out wrong or if that's what they wanted to go with.

    Overall, the scale of the TFs with regard to each other is fair...I don't think scale was a primary factor in the designs, which is unfortunate. Bonecrusher and Brawl should both be at least Voyager. Bonecrusher's vehicle mode, in the real world, is nearly 30 feet in length, which is about 7 feet longer than Prime in vehcicle mode. Making Brawl a Leader is good from a scale standpoint...but then you have to consider if Blackout is the largest of the Decepticons, then he would be at least Leader, maybe Supreme?

    Maybe it was economics too...I can't really seeing Hasbro making a whole lot of Leader Brawls...so send out the Deluxes in force, and for those that want "to scale" figures (i.e. Leader Brawl) then they will get them. I know I will, and will not buy a Deluxe Brawl due to this. I really hope a Voyager (at the very least), or Leader, Bonercrusher comes out too.

    I am a stickler for scale as you can see. :) 
     
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    See, Brawl IS Supreme Cheetor though. Not only are they making him, they're also repainting him, which is Supreme Cheetor times 2. Not only that, replace "Not really that good a toy" with "Not really that notable a character" and it hurts even more.
     
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    I'm still confused about the Blitzwing repaint.
     
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    The Demolisher: Get over yourself. Seriously. His opinion is his opinion. Your opinion is your opinion. Yours is NOT "objective fact", it's not based on probability theory or quantum mechanics or string theory or whatever the hell you're droning on about; it's your opinion, and that's the end of it. I'm getting very, very tired of you asking for people's opinions and then shitting on them when they give them to you. His opinions are every bit as valid as yours. If he likes the movie line, what's it to you? Why do you care so much that someone else might actually derive some pleasure from the toys?

    At no point did he say the movie line is "perfect", or "100% without flaw". You're putting words in his mouth. He said he's happy with it. Why is that so bad?

    This thread is locked. Next time you start one of these you'd better learn to respect others' opinions.
     
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    Galvatron397 Official TFW Omni-Geek

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    I have NEVER seen you one here before, but I'm already a fan, nice work! :thumb 
     
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