G1 toy measurements accurate to the nearest millimeter?

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  1. Akahige

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    I'm looking for accurate measurements of generation-one Transformers, preferably down to the nearest millimeter. (The only information I've found so far has been to the nearest half-centimeter.) Mostly, I need their robot-form heights (from ground to top of head, excluding antennae) and vehicle lengths. There are also cases, such as with Optimus Prime, where vehicle length isn't much help, but other dimensions may be.

    My intention is to compare the robot- and vehicle-form proportions of the toys, then apply those ratios to the lengths of their real-world vehicle counterparts. This will give me the effective heights of the robots. I specifically do not want comic- or cartoon-based stats; my goal is to use the original G1 Transformers toys as a base.

    If anyone here has this sort of data handy, is willing to do some measuring for me, or knows a better place for me to find what I seek, please speak up! The results of this mathematical experiment will be posted back to the internet, for the future use of Transformers fans. I'd appreciate any assistance you can provide. Thank you.

    -- Matt Jozwiak

    Edit: Here's the compiled list so far...

    ASTROTRAIN | JNR D52* (1943-45) | United Space Alliance STS / orbiter (1981?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length (D52):
    - toy vehicle length (STS):
    - actual vehicle length (D52): 21.105 m (kurogane-rail.jp)
    - actual vehicle length (STS): 37.24 m (Wikipedia)
    - estimated robot height:
    * The D52 is supposed to have a 2-8-2 wheel layout, while the upgraded version, the D62, is a 2-8-4. The toy seems to meet the former's criteria. If anyone can confirm which model the toy is actually shaped like, please speak up!

    BLITZWING | Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-25 (1970-84) | Mitsubishi Type 74 (1975-80)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length (MiG-25):
    - toy vehicle length (Type 74):
    - actual vehicle length (MiG-25): 19.75 m (Wikipedia)
    - actual vehicle length (Type 74): 9.41 m (Wikipedia)
    - estimated robot height:

    BLUESTREAK | Datsun 280ZX (1978-83)
    - toy robot height: 10.1 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - toy vehicle length: 11.3 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - actual vehicle length: 4.341-4.54 m (carfolio.com); 4.42 m (Diaclone)
    - estimated robot height: 3.9-4.1 m (13 ft); 4 m (13 ft)
    - data inconsistent with reputed 1:37 scale

    BRAWN | jeep? (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length:
    - estimated robot height:

    BUMBLEBEE | Volkswagen Type-1 (1938-2003)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 4.08 m (carfolio.com) *
    - estimated robot height:
    * Length for 1972 model. I have no idea if that's the right year, though.

    CLIFFJUMPER | Porsche 924 Turbo (931/932) (1979-83)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 4.21 m (carfolio.com)
    - estimated robot height:

    GEARS | truck (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length:
    - estimated robot height:

    GRAPPLE | Mitsubishi-FUSO FU/FV* (1973?) / crane truck
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 11.5 m (Diaclone)
    - estimated robot height:
    * Based on the design of the cab, my best guess is either the 11/12-ton T951 (c. 1967) or the 10-ton FU/FV (c. 1973).

    HOUND | Mitsubishi J59 (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length:
    - estimated robot height:

    HUFFER | truck tractor (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length:
    - estimated robot height:

    IRONHIDE | Nissan Vanette* (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 3.93 m (Diaclone)
    - estimated robot height:
    * The original Diaclone description is Cherry Vanette, but there's practically no information to be found using that name. Perhaps it's a derivative of the Nissan C20 Vanette (or vice-versa).

    JAZZ | Porsche 935 Turbo (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 4.163 m (Diaclone)
    - estimated robot height:

    JETFIRE | Northrom VF-1S (2008)
    - actual vehicle length: 14.23 m (Robotech)
    - actual robot height: 12.68 m (Robotech) *
    * I don't know whether or not this includes the antennae/lasers. If it does, then I need to get toy measurements to calculate the difference.

    MEGATRON | Walther P-38 / U.N.C.L.E. special (1964)
    - toy robot height:
    - estimated robot height: *
    * This will be calculated by comparing the toy robot's height to that of the Optimus Prime toy robot.

    MIRAGE | Ligier JS11* (1979?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length:
    - estimated robot height:
    * Although there was some conflicting information out there, the paint and stickers mark Mirage as either the Ligier JS11 (1979) or JS11/15 (1980). It appears that both the sponsor name and the car number were were altered for the toy.

    OPTIMUS PRIME | tractor & semi-trailer (19__?)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 6.6 m (Diaclone) [Also 2.9 high and 2.5 wide; source: Diaclone]
    - actual robot height:

    PROWL | Datsun 280ZX / police car (1978-83)
    - see BLUESTREAK, above

    RATCHET | Nissan Vanette / ambulance (19__?)
    - see IRONHIDE, above

    SIDESWIPE
    Lamborghini Countach LP 500 S (1982-85)
    - toy robot height: 11.1 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - toy vehicle length: 10.9 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - actual vehicle length: 4.3 m (Diaclone); 4.14 m (lamborghini.com)
    - estimated robot height: 4.4 m (14 ft); 4.2 m (14 ft)

    SMOKESCREEN | Datsun 280ZX / Electramotive team (1979)
    - see BLUESTREAK, above

    STARSCREAM | McDonnell Douglas F-15J* Eagle (1981?)
    - toy robot height: 12.8 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - toy vehicle length: 19.2 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - actual vehicle length: 19.44 m (Wikipedia)
    - estimated robot height: 13 m (43 ft)
    - data inconsistent with reputed 1:93 scale
    * The F-15J was supposedly a Japan-specific version of the F-15C, so I assume that's what the toys were based on. Also, the original Diaclone toy lists the real vehicle as being 19.5 meters in length.

    SUNSTREAKER | Lamborghini Countach LP 500 S (1982-85)
    - see SIDESWIPE, above

    TRACKS | Chevrolet Corvette C3 Stingray (1976?)
    - toy robot height: 11.7 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - toy vehicle length: 11.5 cm (Skywave on tfw2005.com)
    - actual vehicle length: 4.483 (Diaclone)
    - estimated robot height: 4.6 m (15 ft)

    TRAILBREAKER | Toyota Hilux/Trailblazer (1981-1983)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 4.69 m (Diaclone)
    - estimated robot height:

    WHEELJACK | Lancia Stratos Turbo / Group 5 Silhouette (1977)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length:
    - estimated robot height:

    WINDCHARGER | Pontiac Trans Am (1982–1983)
    - toy robot height:
    - toy vehicle length:
    - actual vehicle length: 4.77 m (carfolio.com)
    - estimated robot height:
     
  2. Moroni Prime

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    Well, I'm not sure if it will help much, but you could try looking up the details of the real vehicles, and measure accordingly. For example, Bluestreak/Prowl/and Smokescreen are all Datsun Fairlady Z's. Megatron is a Walther P-38. The seeker Jets are F-14 (or was it F-15) fighter jets. Bumblebee is a VW Beetle ('72?). The cassettes are the size of standard micro-cassettes (used in some answering machines).

    I'm not certain where, but there are sites that identify what the G1 transformers are based upon, as posted above. If you can find them, then it should be (for the most part) smooth sailing from there. Perhaps another friendly board member could post a link to one of the sites?

    BTW, let me be the first to say to you, welcome to TFW2005, I hope you enjoy your stay, may you have lots of fun, and make many friends.
     
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    Perhaps I didn't state it properly, but that was actually my intention. I take the toy robot's height, divide it by the toy vehicle's length, and multiply by the real-world vehicle's length. The result is the height of the "real" robot.

    Of course, that means nothing for the size-changing Decepticons, but it would be a fairly accurate way to judge the Autobots. Now, you might argue that characters like Bumblebee would get bad results on account of the toy having such odd proportions, but I think that's a relatively minor problem. (Maybe measuring by the width of the vehicle would work better in such a case.)

    Additionally, though the vehicle-forms of most first-wave Autobots are easily identified, later ones get more confusing. The original Japanese toys that became Grapple and Inferno, for example, appear to be Mitsubishi-FUSO trucks; my best guess after lots of internet comparisons is the 11/12-ton T951 (c.1967) or the 10-ton FU/FV (c.1973). Also, I suspect that Astrotrain, whose locomotive form is commonly listed as a JNS D62, is actually a D52. I don't know trains, but I compared some internet photos.
     
  4. Skywave

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    I don't have much G-1 toys, but here some mesure I got :


    Sideswipe car: 10.9cm - robot: 11.1cm

    Tracks car: 11.5cm - robot: 11.7cm

    Smokescreen car: 11.3cm - robot: 10.1cm

    Seeker jet : 19.2cm - robot 12.8cm
     
  5. Akahige

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    Excellent. I'll add those to my list and do some figuring. Thanks!

    P.S.: Sideswipe is supposedly a Lamborghini Countach LP500S, and it looks like that car has an optional spoiler. In the event that it extends past the bumper, did you measure the toy from the spoiler or the bumper?
     
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    From the bumper. If the spoiler extend from the back of the car, it's something like .05mm.
     
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    tweaked yer post dude. :lol  rofl
     
  8. Akahige

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    I'll edit the first post to include the information.
     
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    It was suggested by a Transformers fan that people here might have the information I seek. I imagine there may be many reasons for the lack of significant response, so I don't want to jump to conclusions.

    Not being quite so fanatical about Transformers as some, I wonder if perhaps the community considers me unworthy of the data (a sentiment strongly implied in some previous dealings with TF fans), or that I've somehow inconvenienced you all with my request. Or maybe the information just isn't out there, and collectors are unwilling to violate their mint-in-box toys (and understandably so) for a few measurements. Still, I'm surprised that a fan base of millions hasn't already made the measurements a matter of public record.

    Advice on how to proceed from here would be appreciated.
     
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    I actually never thought to measure them to the millimeter, or at all. I'm sorry I don't have that info for you readily. Good luck on your project!!
     
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    Looking at your updated list, I can give you a few more mesures to help you. Also Sunstreaker should be listed independently from Sideswipe, they share the same car mode, but their robot mode are different and the mesure might not be the same.


    Astrotrain

    Robot mode: 11.6cm
    Train mode: 12.1cm (not counting the shuttle's reactor)
    Shuttle mode: 14.8cm


    Blitzwing

    Robot mode: 11.6cm (top of the head, not counting the shoulder)
    Tank mode: 9.6cm (not counting the protruding head)
    Jet mode: 12.7 (not counting the purple fin part on the back)


    Optimus Prime (Cab only)

    Robot mode: 15.5cm
    Truck mode: 12.2cm (length), 5.8cm (height), 5.2cm (width)


    There it is, I guess I can"t help you much more since I don't have the other G1 figures in the list. Hope that help you :) 
     
  12. Akahige

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    Thanks again. I don't suppose Optimus Prime's vehicle length could be 13.2 instead of 12.2? If so, it'd be exactly 1:50 the vehicle length given for Diaclone. (The height already matches 1:50, and the width difference is close enough to be ignored if the other two measurements match 1:50 scale.)
     

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