So here is something that always bugged me. I haven't seen this topic around here before, and I'd be interested to get some opinions here. Be forewarned, this is a long post! The G1 toyline had a really good balance of power theme. You had an Autobot and Decepticon Communicator, Autobot and Decepticon tapes, Auto/Decep Cities, City Commanders, Headmasters, Targetmasters, sub-teams, etc. So when you got down to it, there was a good balance of power, and either side could win any given fight. However, if you counted the Combiners / Super Robots, the Autobots were totally screwed! If the Decepticons launched an all out attack with every single one of them participating (similar to the idea in the alternate universe Wolverine story "Old Man Logan"), I don't see how the Autobots can pull off a victory absent some miracle. So follow me through the road here: ________________________ You had 3 Autobot Combiners in Defensor, Superion and Computron. When you throw in Omega Supreme, you've got a total of 4 Super Robots. A lot of firepower and raw might right there. But the Decepticons had 6, count them SIX Super Robots. Devastator, Bruticus, Menasor, Predaking Abominus and Pirannhacon. A couple qualifiers: I'm counting from 1984 to 1987, with Pirannhacon from 1988, and I'm leaving out Monstructor and the combining tape squakbox. I'm also counting US continuity only, and not including the later Japanese series with the train bots and others. So just match up the super robots, and the Autobots can start getting ready to be one with the matrix, because you'd have two extra Decepticon Super-robots crashing around kicking pipe and taking names. If we go by animation continuity, you've got Devastator vs. Omega Supreme, Bruticus vs. Defensor, Menasor vs. Superion and Abominus vs. Computron. Each of those four battles could go either way, but if we had a real knock down drag-out for all the marbles, even the winners of those battles would be beaten up pretty bad and not able to do a lot more, so these four battles would likely cancel each other out. Meanwhile . . . you've got Predaking on the hunt, taking down Autobots left and right, while Pirannhacon obliterates anyone coming close to him, particularly if he's in the water. Now I suppose you could argue that Sky Lynx could take Predaking, like in the Sunbow series, but I highly doubt that. In all likelihood, Predaking grabs Skylynx by the neck, rips his head off, and then when the lynx jumps at him, Predaking cleaves him in half with his sword. Bye bye Skylynx, and bye bye most other Autobots as well! If you go by the size of the G1 toys, the combiners are all scaled about equal: Devastator, Bruticus, Defensor, Abominus, Pirannhacon, Defensor, Superion and Computron are all about the same size. Then you have Predaking who is larger and bulkier than the rest, and Omega Supreme, who is about the same size as Predaking. So in this version of the battle, the matchups are the same except now you've got the similarly sized Omega vs. Predaking, instead of Omega vs. Devastator. So that leaves us with Devastator stomping around yelling "PREPARE FOR EXTERMINATION! Despite Springer's famous line, I think a whole LOT of autobots are gonna be dying that night. ______________________________ So how in the world do the Autobots pull out a win? I can really only see three ways: 1) Reinforcements. Prime gets the brain bots together and tells Wheeljack, Perceptor, Ratchet and the rest to combine some others like the Dinobots into Super Robots. That leaves us with someone like Dino - King? That would have been a sight to behold, and I've heard rumblings that the Dinobots were intended to combine at one point. While we're at it, maybe they combine some of the Autobot cars a la Menasor as well. So now we're more even with Six Super-Robots a piece. Or maybe the autobots dig up a few more guardians and create a few more Omega Supreme-like robots to swell their ranks. But this is unlikely, since the guardians are supposedly all destroyed following the TF uprising against the Quintessons. 2) Darn good strategy - Decombining the Combiners. We've seen autobots take down super robots in the comics and in the cartoon, most often the super-robot battles end when one super-robot gets de-combined. One side fires and scores enough hits on the super robot to break them into their component pieces, or you get something like Frenzy and Rumble smashing the floor in Astrotrain like in the 1986 movie to de-combine Devastator. We also saw Magnus take down Menasor in the TF v. GI Joe comic series, the one where Serpentor merges with the Decepticons, by ramming into Menasor at full speed in truck mode. Menasor also gets taken down in the IDW series when Optimus and several others team up and take advantage of the personality conflicts within the Stunticons to defeat Menasor. Bottom line: it can be done, albeit with much difficulty. 3) Random good guy luck. Prime opens the matrix, the Dinobots take down Devastator, Predaking slips on a banana peel, Bumblebee tears Bruticus a new one, and we roll the credits on another episode. Not sure if I see this happening in a more "realistic" fight, but the formula often worked with 80's cartoons. Anyways, I'm curious to hear what others think about this. I'm thinking that I'm not the only one that ever stared at the 80's toy catalogs and wondered why the heck the Decepticons got so much more combiner love than the Autobots, thereby creating a disturbance in the balance of power. The way I see it, the Autobots are most likely screwed.