FIREFLY to be released on HD-DVD - does this imply a FIREFLY revival?

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  1. thefrozenred

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    Just the facts.

    Now, the speculation:

    Why would a studio release a failed TV show series on HD-DVD? Does this indicate that the production companies are attempting to gauge the degree of interest in FIREFLY, following incredibly successful DVD sales and the decent performance of SERENITY?

    My hope is that this is the first sign of a sequel to SERENITY or FIREFLY. It'd be damn nice.

    (Also, I know this may be a futile request, but can we please keep the "OMGZ FIREFY WAS TEH SUZZORZ STAR WARZ RULZ!!" to a minimum? I think it'd kind of suck if this thread degenerated into that again...thanks.)
     
  2. Mumps

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    Man... I keep saying to myself, buy that DVD set, it looks great!
    But I keep passing...
    I have never seen the series though...
     
  3. Omega Supreme-1

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    It's not really indicative of anything other than they know they can milk the fanbase with another release of the series. After all, the Browncoats have been known to buy the series multiple times in hopes they can see a revival of the series. I just think they know they can really drain the fanbase dry, and play on their hopes. Plus right now is a really bad time for a Firefly TV show again if Star Wars TV gets off the ground at about the same time. I mean Star Wars does have a larger fanbase and even more money to milk. I think Firefly would probably benefit from a Direct to DVD series with cheaper production values. I doubt that a Serenity sequel would be a big hit since if I recall it didn't have a huge reaction other than from the Browncoat community.
     
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    Spoilers: Many fans of Firefly are "tech people" and tech people are often seen as the early adopters of this kind of technology. So, what they're trying to do is to use these types of shows to lure the fans of these things onto the new technology. It has nothing to do with a renewed intrest in the series. They're just trying to take the show for all its worth.


    On a related note, are there any internal HD-DVD drives that I can buy for my PC?
     
  5. thefrozenred

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    IIRC, SERENITY was received very well by critics...Rottentomatoes.com and BoxOfficeMojo.com both report outstanding scores.

    As for the Star Wars TV show...well, we'll see. I'm not getting any hopes up for it, though.
     
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    its just like the DVD Era...whatever (good or bad) was on VHS eventually (or most of them) came to DVD....

    now its the HD-DVD/BR Era...whatever was on VHS/DVD will come out on either the HD-DVD, BR, or both.

    Just like i want to see a (say) Knight Rider revival, i dont think it'll happen.
     
  7. Omega Supreme-1

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    According to Wikipedia:
    Reception
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    Serenity won film of the year awards from Film 2005[2] and FilmFocus.[3] It also won IGN Film's Best Sci-Fi, Best Story and Best Trailer awards and was runner up for the Overall Best Movie[4] (Batman Begins received first place). Won the 7th annual 'User Tomato Awards' for best Sci-Fi movie of 2005 at Rotten Tomatoes. It also won Nebula Award for Best Script for 2005. Serenity won the 2006 viewers choice Spacey Award for favorite movie.

    Serenity received mostly positive reviews from film critics, with a "fresh" rating of 81%[28] from the movie review website Rotten Tomatoes, which compiles reviews from a wide range of film critics. Ebert & Roeper gave the film "Two Thumbs Up," and The San Francisco Chronicle called it "a triumph",[29] while The New York Times described it as a modest but superior science fiction film.[30] It is listed at #41 of top Science Fiction movies on IMDB.[31] Science fiction author Orson Scott Card called Serenity "the best science fiction film ever."[32]

    However, some reviewers felt the film was unable to overcome its television origins, and did not successfully accomplish the transition to the big screen. USA Today wrote that "the characters are generally uninteresting and one-dimensional, and the futuristic Western-style plot grows tedious" while Variety declared that the film "bounces around to sometimes memorable effect but rarely soars".

    Despite critical acclaim and Internet buzz, Serenity performed modestly at best at the box office. Although several pundits predicted a #1 opening,[33][34][35] the film opened at #2 in the United States, taking in $10.1 million its first weekend, spending two weeks in the top ten, and totaling a box office gross of $25.5 million.[1] Movie industry analyst Brandon Gray described Serenity's box office performance as "like a below average genre picture".[36]

    Serenity's international box office results were mixed, with strong openings in the UK, Portugal and Russia, but poor results in Spain, Australia, France and Italy. Universal International Pictures cancelled the film's theatrical release in at least seven countries, planning to release it directly to DVD instead. The box office income outside the United States was $13.3 million, with a worldwide total of $38.8 million,[37] slightly less than the film's $39 million budget, which doesn't include the promotion and advertising costs, the budget for which was approximately $10 million. The film's creators and supporters are hoping that strong DVD sales, similar to those of the Firefly television series, may lead to a sequel production.

    The thing you sadly have to remember though is no matter how good the Firefly universe may be, it just doesn't draw the marketing and financial opportunities a franchise like Star Wars does which Fox has a hand in. Now, if they could get the series running and really gear it with lots of merchandise I could see a revival. Though any manner of merchandise is available for that beast they call George Lucas's masterpiece. Not saying I love Star Wars over Firefly of course, but I am looking at this purely a financial thing.
     
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    looked around and didn't find any where you can buy it...but NEC was to come out with its HR-1100A in JAN 2006 for around 500 euros...dont know it if it though

    and this dude: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=667995, ripped it out of his standalone player and installed it in his PC (it was a standard HD-DVD drive in the player, wow)...couldn't play the HD-DVD discs though...
     
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    :lol  :lol  :lol  Well, I did hear that the first HD-DVD player(s) were nothing more than Linux boxes. I wonder if he would have better luck with using a Linux distro, then try to dump the player's firmware into a PC and run it under Linux. :p 


    anyway, 500 euros is wayyyyy too much for an internal drive IMO. :(  They need to start making these things for PCs if they want to push the format. I might be willing to pay more for just another way to watch movies if I can also use the burner to store more info than DVD9's can hold.

    btw. I really think that both of these formats are almost useless and will never really take off. Most people see DVD as good enough, and a suprising number of people I've hurd have thought that DVD was HD content.
     
  10. Omega Supreme-1

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    On a tangent, I think the problem with HD/BR is the simple fact there is nothing to appeal to the general public. Step back and think about it putting aside the sheer technical aspects of what the formats can do. Right now most of the public is generally content with the DVD collections they have amassed to date. Unlike the jump from VHS to DVD, DVD to BR/HD isn't that significant. They are both disks, and the general public won't be able to tell them apart of the shelves. The general public needs to see what's so great about the formats by either having something like all of a show on 1 disk or just showing some really beautiful stuff that wasn't possible with DVD. If they really wanted to pull a feat they could some how put all of Star Wars or Lord of the Rings Extended Editions on 1 disk or far fewer than normal then the public will be wowed. For the time being they are just really not that attractive or being paid attention to.
     
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    Whats surprising about that? Most DVD players had standard drives in them for years.

    Anyway, HD formats arn't going to go away regurdless of how much armchair apathists and doom mongers whine about them. Theres more then enougth market to sustain it througth the early adopter phase that all new technology has and it'll slowly work its way into everybodys house in the long term as falling costs and increasing volumes make it pointless to produce SD hardware. Its already happening with HDTVs, at least in this part of the world.

    DVD was no different when it started, it had the same price tag that your seeing on HD hardware now and the general public didn't care for about 3 or 4 years.
     
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    That's it exactly. The original set raised tons of cash on DVD, which led to the movie being greenlit. Of course, that died at the box office.

    As a general rule, DVDs need to sell far fewer buyers to be successful than tv shows or movies need viewers. Fox knows it will make money with this set, and probably needs to do minimal work to make it.

    As for the "tech people" thing, look at the films that were first put out on DVD, and now on HD. Most of it is action, sci-fi, or horror - that is, guy stuff (need we even mention porn?). On the other hand, my wife waited about 6 years to get The Rose on DVD, 8 years to get Sybil, and she's still hanging on Looking for Mr Goodbar. Why? Chicks are not early adopters, so chick flicks tend to be given lower priorities.
     
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    However unlikely, it'd be really cool to see a revival of Firefly. Even though it has a decently sized fanbase, I don't think its enough to keep such an odd show, or at least odd to people not really fans of it afloat. I think it just doesn't have as heavy of a backing as other(larger) sci-fi shows like Star Wars, Star Trek, B5.

    Who knows, maybe someday we'll see our favorite little hunk of junk fly again on screen in some fashion.
     
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    Serenity was just released on HD-DVD. Saw it at Best Buy. Some kind of a silver case with a red line across the top face.

    $21.99 (ouch)
     
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    Firefly was fucking awesome, I can't get my head around how people didn't like it. I'd love to see it come back.
    Slightly off topic what where the three unaired episodes? I bought the complete series of 14 episodes from HMV and the box mentioned nothing about unaired episodes.
     
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    The episodes "Trash", "The Message", and "Heart of Gold" were not shown by Fox during the show's initial US broadcast run.

    And I'll agree that Firefly being rereleased signals nothing more than the studio knowing that it's a popular DVD set and a good opportunity to make some money.
     
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    It's just something to milk the fans like paramount does with trek.
     
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    I watched the Firefly series while I was on holiday, and it totally kicks ass. Virtually every episode, I said, 'This is what Enterprise should have been like'.

    While its true the characters were relatively simple, they were consistant, and most importantly their motivations were realistic. Hell, they're a lot more entertaining than most of the reality TV crap we get these days. The stories were interesting too, with a nice twist and variation on a wild Frontier in space. One thing I really liked about it was the series was sufficiently fleshed out for me to believe they were edging a living in a real universe, something Enterprise and most recent Star Trek fails to do.

    But what I want to know is what happened in between the end of the series and the film, what was Shepherd Books story? Why does Jayne actually become a better person? (Cuz in the film he could have been a lot more self serving, and generally shitty.)

    Honestly, Fox are retarded for letting it go, and its a damn shame its second stab didn't light the box office alight, the whole series deserved better. Anyhoo it does bode well for Whedons Wonder Woman film.


    Some of the extras on Serenity were fantastic. 'Jayne! Try not to steal too much of their stuff!'
     
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    Oh I can understand how some people might not like it. Many folks turn the channel when they see spaceships. Many felt the old west theme was overdone and didn't like it mixed with their SF. In a similar light I can understand why many people simply don't like this show or that, despite obviously high quality (Homicide, Arrested Development both spring to mind).
     
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    *sees Firefly topic*

    Freakin' Fox execs with recto-cranial inversion.

    *mutters about firebombing and walks out*
     

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