Final TFCC TFSS 5.0 now shipping!!! (Mystery figure revealed)

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  1. T-Hybrid

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    Or Scoop.

    But in all three cases it seems like the idea was the component influenced the end result even if it didn't change the personality completely.
     
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    I did say my headcannon.
     
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    At the risk of going "there", the idea that combiners are unique minds born from the combination of different parts really gets into a greater discussion of identity.

    If you have 5 of the 6 Torchbearers, then one of the Combaticons joins in, what happens to Victorion? Is she still Victorion? Is she still a she?

    What happens if one of those five *isn't* Pyra Magna? Could the other 5 combine with Hot Spot and completely overwhelm whatever he brought to the table as Defensor?

    I would love for IDW to do a series built around a combiner team (or teams) that could explore these ideas. Especially the one I pitched earlier where you have a combiner personality that's so dominant (or perhaps a combiner who's been joined for so long) it loses all sense of it's original components and refuses to separate for fear of "dying".

    Hell, have the plot be centered on a team presented as cohesive and well estabilshed in the universe. The early arcs introduce the team, establishes the combiner's personality, and then at some point you end the intro and kill off one of the members (could be a limb, could be the core) and the story shifts to how the team has to adapt to life without this member, and eventually you introduce a new member.

    That would give you an opening to explore the following:

    1) How the loss of a member impacts the personality of the combiner, and how the team tries to adjust by reshuffling the remaining components.
    2) How the loss of a member impacts the individuals. If they've been working together for so long, do they feel something like phantom limb syndrome?
    3) How does the new member fit in? How is the combiner affected. Can the new member slot in as a replacement (the same limb) or does the team need to figure out a new "default" configuration.

    The whole time you use the combined mode as the exploration into identify and the self.

    It wouldn't have to be a long series, but maybe a miniseries at first and then integrated back into the main storyarcs down the road.
     
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    Did IDW explore that when Prowl replaced Scrapper?
     
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    Modulus you would basically need Medic Ratchet correct from the botcon custom figure? I have the UW one but I'm not planning to open up my UW set just to create that
     
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    IDW isn't going to buck the trend of nonmodularity that has been part of Combiner fiction beyond what they did with Prowlstator. In Marvel lore, it was kill any component and you kill the Combiner. It will be the same for the Enigma created Combiners. To replace a member they would need to exposed the new and old members to the Enigma again, which will create a new combiner, that may be similar to previous one, but will still be fundamentally different, as seen with the 3 Devastator's and the 2 Menasors and Superions.
     
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    That's kind of disappointing, as I'd prefer combination to be a "thing" that Cybertronians could be capable of through something akin to training or rebuilding. Rather than something that must be forced upon them or activated via a glowing Macguffin.

    Maybe they'll explore that down the road. Kind of like how IDW Arcee was the "first" female Cybertronian (created via Shockwave's experimentation) until we were later introduced to a whole slew of other female Transformers who had been living on other planets throughout the Universe.

    Heck, isn't Shockwave's experiments also the reasoning for how the Dynobots became the Dinobots? Until, again, we discovered a planet filled with animal/bio Transformers.

    There's even a member of the Thirteen who lords over "Combination". Which to me suggests it's a natural thing that out there in the universe a race of Transformers is capable of without the need for the Enigma.
     
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    Since Modulus is a Hasbro character, you would need the BotCon Ratchet (G1 comic or G1 cartoon version)... but if you mix and match your Hasbro and TakaraTomy combiner parts, then I guess the Japanese one could stand in for it.
     
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    Since the cost of a single Botcon 2016 Ratchet is often more than an entire Lynxmaster, I wouldn't begrudge people who want to exercise that option.

    Especially since you'd also need Medix to get the job done. That's really just a cruel joke on FunPub's part.
     
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    They can make artificial combiners in IDW, but they all have serious flaws and problems, Monstructor, Menasor I, Superion I, Devastator I and II and they don't have unified minds. In IDW it requires the Enigma to over come that issue. Ultimately Devastator I did work the best because the 6 Constructicons had unified goals.
    The Enigma of Combination is what let Nexus Prime lord over combination as it was to him as the Matrix was to Prima. Without it he was just another Combiner.
    In IDW the Dinobots just took beast modes, much the same way the Maximals and Predicons do, to avoid radiation from unstable Energon (Shockwave's Ore 13). The experiments was in FoC/Prime.
     
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    Man, TF continuity is weird.
     
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    That's because we've tried to think of it as science fiction when it's really more of a science fantasy.
     
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    So I have been thinking of what weapons would go best with Wreckage 1 (Alpha Bravo, Bluestreak, Counterpunch, Impactor, Off-Road) and the best ideas that I can come up with is CW Shockwave and the Star Sabre from Armada. What do you think of this idea? Would the Armada Combiner weapons be compatible w/ the CW/TFCC hands?
     
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    Armada Starsaber should be compatible with the standard 5mm ports. Question is of the sword handle would have enough clearance to get over the knuckle and still have enough peg in the hole to hold.
     
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    It should be, they're both 5mm.

    Clearance is another issue.

    I gave my Galvatronus the Arms Micron Galaxy Launcher and it fits fine.

    I'd like to get the Dark Saber and see how that fits, though.
     
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    Combiners can indeed hold the Armada Star Saber. I have the Dark version and I give it to Superion sometimes.

    The reason cross-combination between combines doesn't happen is because of their gestalt mind. The combiner itself is a sixth person, both comprised of but seperate from their components. As it's been shown in IDW, a gestalt would have lingering mental effects of a person. If you remove a component you remove part of the gestalts mind, it would no longer be whole. The death of Scrapper effected Devastator, the Constructicons, and even Prowl. Imagine it like another part of your subconcious is parted off and when combined, creates a new concious being from the subconious of the components.
    It's a lot like having a ghost in the back of your head.

    In other fiction though Gestalts don't always seem to be a thing. When Optimus combines with Jetfire in Armada he just seems to gain control over his body as if it was his own, like the nerve endings split and re-connected.

    Hardly. Less of it is pulled out of peoples asses then you would guess, and a lot of it could be theoretically possible. For example, it has always been proposed that Cybertronians aren't made of metal and are instead made of cells like us, it first appeared back in a G1 comic I believe(don't ask me what issue), even though most fiction has always disregarded it in favor for the metal robots concept. I honestly doubt they writers of the movie knew of it when they re-introduced it in the 2007 movie however. It also later appeared in AOE(despite it also contridicting itself to a degree, but thats Micheal Bay.)
     
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    Does damage to the foam in the TFCC boxes affect the figure's value? For example, if I cut out a space in the Toxitron/Counterpunch/SG Starscream foam for Toxitron's sword, am I negatively impacting the value?
     
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    For something like that I'd personally say No, but you know how some people are about authenticity and keeping things as original as possible.
     
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    I would say "Yes" in that you'd likely lose the buyers willing to pay top dollar. It wouldn't be truly mint to them.
     
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    These kinds of questions don't have a single answer. It's all about what buyers (plural) decide they want to care about. In the case of these figures, the value (with or without adjusted foam) may not be so high that the adjustment matters.

    Or. It might. You have to make the call for yourself.

    (This is the kind of post that really makes me dislike TFWs default to remove nested quotes...)
     

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