after watching most transformers series especially g1 there is alot of violence in all of them. the concept of transformers is that they are fighting in a war. they do this with gun and violence not harsh words and pillow fights so violence is an in herant part and always has been. alot of the content of g1 is pretty racist really and inappropriate for kids but it wasnt a problem then. wrapping up kids in boubble wrap and censoring everything sint the answer teaching your kids right and wrong is. just my two cents on the matter

 

I have mixed feelings about all of this. If I had young children, I wouldn't want them to see ROTF. But seeing a commercial for such a cool looking movie would make them want to see it badly. It sure made me! The kids would bug their parents to death and if their folks said no, then they would be the bad guy.

 

Your conveniently leaving out the fact that the movie has sex and cursing that the cartoons never had. You are comparing apples to oranges.

 

i think this sums it up for me really. i agree with every word there

 

the original catroon movie does have language in it though?..

 

The G1 movie, which was rated and appeared in theaters, had one curse word. Which is a far cry from the continuous language in Revenge. And the word was removed when the movie aired on television to a more general audience. The comparison is nonsensical. You're comparing a PG movie to a PG-13 movie and expecting the audience to be the same.

 

Are you kidding?? Most children these days say "if you hit me I'm callin the cops!" Parents CAN'T parent their kids right anymore because it's "child abuse" sorry, I had to get that in there though.

 

I cant but laugh at all these examples that people bring up. Do you guys not watch the news? Do you have horrible memories? Do you guys who really live in these close minded worlds really not know that people have been complaining about the violence and marketing of that violence to kids for like 20 years now???

Star Wars episode 3 was Criticized for its violence despite George Lucas warning people in advance

Jurassic Park was criticized

Do a little research before you act like Rotf is the first movie in all of film to be criticized. It literally took like two minutes to find articles complaining about these movies and how bad they are for kids. In a few months we will probably be getting complaints about avatar which is already pushing its toyline

Every time Transformers fans go on these big rants and assume things are facts based on their foggy memories we all look bad


Movies For Guys: According to USA Today Episode 3 too violent for the kiddies... Yeah Yeah

Lucas: Don't bring the kids to ''Episode III'' | Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith | In the News | News | Entertainment Weekly

Parent Previews: Star Wars: Episode III Revenge of the Sith Family Movie Review

Local News | `Jurassic Park' Shirts Yanked -- Woman Complains Display Too Violent | Seattle Times Newspaper

Selling 'Jurassic': The Film And Toys - New York Times - The New York Times | Encyclopedia.com



Also it's important to understand that the issue this year is the shear volume of violent toyline based movies this year:

According to the CCFC, in the last 6 months nearly 5,000 advertisements for five films the CCFC deems violent, and their related products, have been aired on kids' TV stations. The five films in question include X-Men Origins: Wolverine; Star Trek; Terminator Salvation; Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen; and G.I. Joe: The Rise of Cobra. Not only were ads played during times that young kids are likely to see them, but some of the films have partnered with Burger King to market kids toys, and some of the merchandise for the movies is for children as young as two.

Quoted from:http://humaneconnectionblog.blogspot.com/2009/08/parents-childrens-advocacy-organization.html

This is a parenting issue and even if these people got exactly what they wanted how would it affect you. Do alot of board members really watch kids networks? Would your viewing experience of these networks be ruined if you didn't see an add for a movie? Who the hell watches commercials now anyways?

 

Lol

This is one of those times where disabling and disposing of the V chip is necessary.

 

Well i wasn't really a fan of the 2nd movie but is everyone forgetting about the cartoons (not animated) from japan. in japan, this show and several other anime cartoons for example Gundam and Dragon ball. they were not targeted for kids. If i were to recall they cursed a good bit plus some explicit content. Paramount chose Michael Bay who is is used to making rated R movies, violent movies and screwing them up (cough) Pearl Harbor (cough). they took the cartoon and cut alot of stuff from it. if that wasnt enough, they made transformers the movie. they strained the ratings. people were a little concerned but the content was not much. but now transformers 2 came out and the broke the scale. Personally they went too far with such content. Im not going to side but its the parents who should take some concern. If the parents take a child to see Bruino and it turns out to be a bad movie, its the parents fault. Not the director, not the writers, not the cast and certainly not the kids. Its the parents. transformers is a PG-13 movie. I was a little surprised by the movie. plus anyway why make a big deal now. look on the tv and you'll see plenty other shows and commercials with this issue. i remember watching spongebob on nick with my niece and out of nowhere a Trojan Condom commercial comes on the tv. i mean WTF. its all about money. the company pays the channel to put that commercial on. None took action then. If you were to go to a elementary or middle school in these days, its like watchin porn in front of a set of minors. why don't they take action on thoese stuff first.

if your daughter were to come from school and she is in elementary or middle school and say out loud " take your **** and shove it up in my ***" who will you blame, the school, the kids or the kids parents?

it looks like in this situaton they are aiming at transformers movie only cause it did so well in the sales. money. people like to point the finger instead of admit they are wrong.

 

While I get your point, the three Star Wars articles you cited don't look at all at Star Wars being marketed to a younger audience that might be in some way jeopardised by the movie - indeed the three articles (especially the third) seem to be praising the darker direction Star Wars took. There is no outcry by a third party 'watchdog organisation' in the articles. There is no outcry at all really - the closest we get is Lucas conceding that the younger audience that the first two prequels fostered might be too young for the darker tone in episode three. No calls for the advertising to be pulled or blocked. To be absolutely clear, I'm saying there's a difference between conceding that a movie isn't appopriate for smaller children, and an outcry that goes to pulling or blocking advertising for PG13 movies and associated products.

Regarding the Jurassic Park shirts, the contentious issue was contained within the shirt itself - the debate didn't go back to the movie in question, or even mention it at all, and the article doesn't even try to stir it in that direction. The NYT article goes more to the heart of the issue at hand here, which in this case is whether marketing something to a particular group (in this case the little ones) means that they'll parrot what's being showed to them (which given the nature of the ads for RotF and TF07 would just be a lot of shaky shots of robots beating eachother/running away from the camera).

It goes back to a parenting issue for me - which many short sighted people on here seem to equate with being able to beat your children  . PG does after all stand for Parental Guidance (although apparently in PG13 it stands for Parental Caution) - the burden is on the parents, not on the FCC to act as a secondary ESRB and filter out what they don't like, after the ESRB has done their filtering.

 

I will agree the articles aren't about the same exact topic but their are numerous posts in this thread from people acting like Rotf was the first PG-13 movie to be criticized for violence. I took two seconds to show how people have been talking about violence in these action movies for a long time.

I agree this is a major parenting issue as well. However I feel that parents have every right to ask for a more efficient parenting tool. Give them what ever restriction option they want on the V-chip. It has no effect on those of us that do not use them. Parents should be able to restrict what ever they want from their kids viewing option.

However, I strongly disagree with the idea of restricting what commercials are shown during Prime Time hours. Any child old enough to be up and watching tv past 8 is old enough to handle being explained why they cant have or see the product being advertised to them.

So again to recap: do what ever the hell you want to the Vchip. Leave my programing alone

 

Jurrasic Park never was a kids movie. And that's too bad, cause, like any kid, I loved dinosaurs and went to the movie to see them... never excepted the movie would be so dark and scary. Yeah, I was looking behind me for signs of raptors in dark alleys for a few months afterwards... And I totally agree with the complaints, the trailers we saw did not show the movie to be so horroristic. It'd have helped if I'd have read the book beforehand, but it was only released in my country after the movie.

 

Quoted for thruth.

Did you know how much the media moguls have been (and still are) lobby-ing to show executions of criminals on TV? Cause, that'd boost the ratings, and that's all these sharks care about.

If it wasn't for censors, we'd get to watch Roman-style gladiator matches or dogfights in primetime. Frankly, I still get a WTF expression on my face when I see what stuff makes it to the 'not under 12' movies (we have a different rating system in Europe: not under 12, 16, 18)... straight-out sex scenes even.

 

Well yes there is violence in movies, but guess what .. there is violence in the real world too.

When I went to high school that was the first time I heard kids my age use f-bombs and other bad words.
Every day I heard kids around me swearing. But I am still not a frequent user of swear words.

I hold the firm belief that proper parenting is better than national censorship. Constant censorship does not prepare children for the adult world.

Little boys have always been facinated by simulated violence. In fact you cannot make a kids show without violence, and expect boys to watch it.

How much can we really censor things huh ? In power rangers, there is no blood. Injury is shown by "sparking" but some parents still complained that show was too violent.

 

If the first time you heard swearing was in high school then your parents did a pretty good job of censoring you and the fact that you still don't use them frequently shows how it can work to censor your children.