FansToys FT-08 Grinder (Masterpiece Grimlock)

Discussion in 'Transformers 3rd Party Discussion' started by wildfly, Jun 4, 2015.

  1. Scowly Prowl

    Scowly Prowl Still calculating variables...

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2017
    Posts:
    1,809
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Likes:
    +1,233
    Or, they could have just included the head with FT Silverbolt...
     
  2. Orion2703

    Orion2703 Ultimate Hunter TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2016
    Posts:
    2,495
    Trophy Points:
    242
    Location:
    England
    Likes:
    +1,778
    The price of which would then have to be covered by silverbolt, which isn't the way to do it at all when they are completely unrelated figures and it' a sizeable piece.
     
  3. jdbrewer

    jdbrewer Knight who says "Ni".

    Joined:
    May 1, 2016
    Posts:
    198
    Trophy Points:
    82
    Location:
    California
    Likes:
    +101
    I know that feeling!
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. kaszal

    kaszal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Posts:
    1,231
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Location:
    UK
    Likes:
    +335
    Ebay:
    I tried painting Grinder's eyes with some Tamiya X-14 but not happy with the results (see photos)

    I thinned it slightly with Tamiya thinner but, as you can see, the pigment and gloss is uneven. It's worked fine before on small areas like MP-10's eyes. I also tried it without thinners. Also, the second coat seems to disrupt the first coat (even if it's left to dry overnight) no matter how delicate I am. I've cleaned it off and started again a few times in the last couple days. I prepped the surface with some 1500-2500 sandpaper to remove the chrome instead of the bleach option. I used a nice flat brush too.

    I must be doing something wrong. Are there better paints e.g. Vallejo or Citadel? I'm fed up and might just use a rattle can or brush with enamel instead. Any advice appreciated.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  5. malware5

    malware5 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2013
    Posts:
    4,604
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Likes:
    +2,233
    This is why I favoured the bleach and the spray can over the sandpaper and paintbrush. The bleach, or if you're not fond of it alcohol will just cause the original stuff FT put on it to just shed, leaving the surface even as opposed to sanding which could leave it uneven if overdone and thus making it harder to paint evenly, like you've done....I guess. Painting, particularly if your skills are limited, is only worth doing if you have a very small surface area to cover as you have now experienced.

    With the spray can it is much easier, you just spray it (after you've removed the original paint, of course!) look for any unevenness or bubbles, if any are detected, address them with a brush and then spray over them until they are gone.

    The blue you're using is a bit dark, it looks good in robot mode but a lighter blue will look better in dino mode as it seems to bounce off the grey quite nicely, I know because I used the deep blue first and it didn't quite have the effect the light blue one had.

    Hope this helps!
     
  6. ChromeMagnus

    ChromeMagnus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Posts:
    20,308
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    327
    Likes:
    +11,012
    Thank goodness I'm happy with they eye color of my FT dinos just as they are.
     
  7. Scowly Prowl

    Scowly Prowl Still calculating variables...

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2017
    Posts:
    1,809
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Likes:
    +1,233
    Oh, I know. It's just what FT might do to make you buy their next product.
     
  8. Geterman

    Geterman Second Coming of Primus TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Posts:
    1,875
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Location:
    Maryland
    Likes:
    +111
    I would not say that it is essential. I am perfectly fine with the default head.
     
  9. ChromeMagnus

    ChromeMagnus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Posts:
    20,308
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    327
    Likes:
    +11,012
    The shouldn't just consider it, they should actually do it.

    Nah, thats more likely something Badcube or KFC would do (and has done).

    For many of us it is essential.
     
  10. kaszal

    kaszal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Posts:
    1,231
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Location:
    UK
    Likes:
    +335
    Ebay:
    Dino-head is essential for me. The other one is cool but is not the Grimlock we remember from the cartoons. It's a shame they've sold out everywhere. Luckily a helpful forum member told me where to get one before they sold out there too. Fanstoys has to do another run.

    On a different note, I like the transformation. T-rex to bot mode was smooth and enjoyable.
     
  11. Geterman

    Geterman Second Coming of Primus TFW2005 Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2010
    Posts:
    1,875
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    217
    Location:
    Maryland
    Likes:
    +111
    And I'm sure for many of us, it is not essential
     
  12. kaszal

    kaszal Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 6, 2012
    Posts:
    1,231
    Trophy Points:
    197
    Location:
    UK
    Likes:
    +335
    Ebay:
    Should we get a poll going?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. Treadshot 2.0

    Treadshot 2.0 Action Master

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2002
    Posts:
    2,207
    News Credits:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    312
    Likes:
    +1,202
    That's just not fair. FT MULTIPLE times has shipped toys with problems and shipped the fix with the next toy, thus requiring you to buy more toys. Examples: Sever's improved leg panels, Soar's die cast clips, new dino faces including an entirely new head to replace Sever's initially off-model one, new face for Perceptor (which wasn't actually better, but still)... I mean, if you want a complete stand for your Phoenix, you need to buy Soar or Sovereign!

    It's not the end of the world but FT is kind of the king of this, followed by ToyWorld. The only time I can think of KFC doing this was when they shipped the new Apeface face with Snapdragon, and I can't think of a time BC did this off the top of my head. Did they have an accessory for Sunsurge that shipped with a different toy?

    At any rate I'm pretty sure nothing you're citing is as important/prominent as Grimlock's dinosaur head. Nobody was like "if he doesn't have that one thing from that one episode it's a deal breaker!" Many people consider not getting Grimlock's dino head right a deal breaker... especially since, unlike most TFs, Dinobots are just as (if not more) likely to be displayed in beast mode as robot mode.

    Honestly this comment just reminds me how XTB/KFC gets absolutely killed for the same kind of QC fails that FT routinely gets passes for. My Scoria can only hold certain poses because its shoulders and hips suck. Other owners report that Soar and Forager routinely break with normal use (Soar because of poor material choices, rectified with extra parts if you buy more of their products, and Forager because of its design/engineering). Koot seems to have a molding error that makes you have to flex plastic parts around other parts like KFC. Lupus is missing basic articulation points (they really couldn't make decent shoulders?) and is off model colorwise. FT fanboys murdered Keith for making Snapdragon and Apeface silver instead of off white, but when FT did it to Wierdwolf there was a collective "meh."

    I don't have brand loyalty. FT, KFC, XTB, BadCube, DX9, MMC and MakeToys have ALL made legitimate Masterpiece-quality toys. They've all also dropped some duds or "not-quite-there" toys. And of the two companies you mentioned, BadCube is notable for NOT having QC issues they expect you to fix by buying more of their toys, unlike FansToys.
     
    • Like Like x 3
  14. ChromeMagnus

    ChromeMagnus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Posts:
    20,308
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    327
    Likes:
    +11,012
    Maybe so but for the rest of us it is as an example pointed out a few minutes ago.
    What you may consider fair or unfair is subjective and you have every right to take your position. Bottom line FT simply has a far better track record for producing quality items vs XTB/KFC. There's no contest there. Even with the dino head, it solved an aesthetic issue, not a quality/functionality issue. Even with that it was at least made available to purchase as a separate item for $25 or less depending on where it is bought from. Meanwhile KFC customers are were forced to buy a whole new figure at full price, Kingzilla in order to get the correct sized gun handles for Kingorilla. On top of that those new handles now fail to peg in poorly on the sides for jet mode. So in essence one KFC issue got resolved at the price of a new figure but another issue was created as a result.

    Here are 2 occurrences reported today on the KFC Stratotanker thread:
    upload_2018-1-2_12-43-30.png
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2018
  15. Pitt

    Pitt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,489
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Likes:
    +2,861
    IIRC, BC included that gun for the back of Sunsurge's alt mode with their Trailbreaker. Not the end of the world. That was an optional upgrade IMO, much like Grinder's dino head. Those fall into a different category for me than the Kingorilla guns or the Soar leg clips, both of which were issued to address flaws in the original.

    I'd rather companies make all of these things available without having to buy a new figure but, in the cases where it's an aesthetic upgrade, I understand their approach from a business standpoint. When it's a mechanical or QC issue, though, you shouldn't have to buy a figure you may not have otherwise purchased just to get a fix for one you already bought. The way MT handled their fixes for Cupola and Ironwill (fixes were free, you just had to pay a nominal shipping fee) is the right way to do it IMO.
     
  16. ChromeMagnus

    ChromeMagnus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Posts:
    20,308
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    327
    Likes:
    +11,012
    But to get that Sunsurge accessory customers had to buy a whole new figure, unlike FT dino head and unlike Soar's die knee clips. I have Sunsurge but have no interest in BC Trailbreaker. It wasn't until a fellow TFW member was willing to part ways with his Sunsurge rear gun accessory that I finally got one. I've got like 2 sets of FT Soar die cast knee clips that I easily requested from dalianjj of FT a while back.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  17. Pitt

    Pitt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,489
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Likes:
    +2,861
    I know, I was just answering the question of whether there was an accessory for SS included with a subsequent figure. My point was, while I wish everyone would make optional upgrades like that individually available, I get why not everyone does. It's more incentive for people to buy the next figure. The thing I have an issue with is when fixes for flaws are only available when you buy another figure. You shouldn't have to pick up a figure you had no intention of buying just to get your previous figure to work right.

    But things like the SS canon or Grinder head are optional in my eyes. Things like the Soar clips or Ditka knees weren't optional upgrades, they were necessary fixes.
     
  18. ChromeMagnus

    ChromeMagnus Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2015
    Posts:
    20,308
    News Credits:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    327
    Likes:
    +11,012
    You're right about optional vs necessary fixes. The only problem with the SS canon as that it was never made available on its own so it is an "option" provided you pay full price for another figure you don't want.
     
  19. Pitt

    Pitt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2016
    Posts:
    3,489
    Trophy Points:
    202
    Likes:
    +2,861
    Right, but that's my point. That I think it's ok for companies to include optional add-ons with a different figure and not available separately. As a consumer, I wish they wouldn't. But I completely understand them doing so as it adds incentive for people to buy another figure. The only time I don't think it's an acceptable tactic is with fixes (which I think we're in agreement on).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  20. keef

    keef Cesium salami

    Joined:
    May 27, 2017
    Posts:
    594
    Trophy Points:
    147
    Location:
    The Twilight Zone
    Likes:
    +799
    Regardless of your stance on fixes or addons coming with other figures, that right there is a big reason for why FT is one of the best 3P companies around. I am by no means an FT fanboy, but the other big 3Ps don't have anyone as dedicated as dalianj who comes to these forums to help out with parts, answer questions, etc.
     
    • Like Like x 2

Share This Page