ever say,what was the point of the 1988 mega pretenders?

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  1. Tigermegatron

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    I mean the whole premise behind the "pretenders" in G-1 was to pretend to be flesh humans or flesh monsters. to confuse the people on earth in to thinking they weren't robots. at least that was the marvel G-1 Comics way of handling the pretenders. & the cartoon masterforce's way of handling the pretenders.

    So now we have mega pretenders like thunderwing,crossblades & vroom. that basically have pretender shells that can transform into alt modes. like jets,helicopters & motorcycles.

    WHERE is the disguise element in the mega pretender shells. when there's tons of alt mode kibble sticking out everywhere on the shells. there appears to also be body parts on the shells that are either cyborg or pure robotic.

    Personally as toys,the designs were pure awesome. as fiction it makes zero sense.

    hopefully hasbro & takara gives us super poseable versions of the 3 mega pretenders. no not the pre-forms. I want the actual mega pretenders forms in super poseable updated homage toy form.
     
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    Well instead of hiding they are able to attack from two directions at once and they are pretending to one be one TF instead of 2, so it kinda makes sense. All that said how many times did Thundering actually use his inner robt in the comics???

    I believe it was twice, really a missed chance for some awsome sneek attacks there.
     
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    cuz it's a gimmick lol why else?
     
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    I think it's a "toy" point, rather than a fiction point.

    Still, give them those Masterforce magic/whatever powers, and they could still appear to be normal humans in business suits no problem. :) 
     
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    I think it was to add an extra element on playability, I found Thunderwing bad-ass as a kid. Vroom, less so.
     
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    I remember at the time the Mega Pretenders sounded pretty cool. "Woah! Transforming Pretender shells! Awesome!" etc. In retrospect they're pretty daft, but a far less loopy gimmick that the russian doll like Ultra pretenders.

    Those things were weird.
     
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    Their point was to be awesome. And they delivered.

    They came out in 1989, not 1988. So they were in the second year of their gimmick, and in the second year they always took the gimmick to the next level.
     
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    Guys,i'm kinda referring to the FICTION side of things.

    there's just no way for those mega pretenders to pretend to be humans when they've got cyborg/robotic parts all over their shells.

    from a pretender point of view,those mega pretenders failed as far as the human disguise element went.
     
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    They've got metal suits on. You can pretend that the kibble are just part of the suit as decoration.
     
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    First of all, I agree that Mega-Pretenders were wonderful toys in spite of their shortcomings, but I doubt that such an idea could really be pulled off properly even today - it would require some sort of toy engineering marvel in order to create a realistically proportioned, human action figure with full posability which ALSO contains a transformable robot within it. The only way I think its could be done is if it were modified, like this:

    You start off with the two vehicles combined together into their super mode - lets use Crossblades as an example. His super vehicle mode resembles an attack chopper with an extended nose, formed from his dragster partner. Both vehicles can be seperated and transformed - the dragster changing into a robot, the chopper becoming the human 'pretender' (which looks like a human pilot wearing high tech armour).

    Now then, instead of THEN having the robot store inside the human, which would necessitate a massive reduction in articulation for the shell toy, how about the robot simply transforms into another accessory for the human - such as a shield, or a cannon, a breast plate or back pack? In terms of fiction, it could be said that the robot is the real character, and the human a drone, which is controlled by the robot, and used as a disguise? Remember, this is Earth of the future, silly as it sounds, in terms of the fiction it would be less suspicious to see a heavily armoured human soldier walking around carrying a big gun than it would something which is CLEARLY an alien robot - besides, the toys would be awesome, which is the REAL idea.
     
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    I think if we ever get new pretenders, which is unlikely, it'd be something like all of the third wave pretenders, the inner robot will just be something small, that when completely folded up, completely fits inside the torso, allowing there to be fairly articulated arms and legs, and even a decent transformation.

    Think Cybertron Menasor, he was basically a pretender.
     
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    Hey, at least they transformed. Can't say the same about Action Masters. Plus, there WAS a planet where there were Transformer-sized humanoids in the Marvel comics:
    Femax - Transformers Wiki

    Also, considering that there hasn't been a Pretender-like toy released in over two decades (that "Pretender Motormaster" being the exception), this is one heck of a moot point since there's no chance of them being released again.
     
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    Updated Vroom and Roadblock would make me shit myself.


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    MAKE IT HAPPEN HASBRO
     
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    Fiction-wise, the initial Autobot Pretenders were a one-trick pony. The Decepticons thought giant humans were guarding a facility... blah blah blah. In Japan they were awesome, integrating themselves in human society, and kinda living like the immortals in Highlander.

    The others could have just had cooler transforming battle armor.
     
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    human are advancing as well in terms of technology.in a modern world setting, it would seem much normal & even packs quite a punch when pretending to be a hi-tech human.heck,having a humanoid octopus would be far more weirder
     
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    closest we gotten to a modern pretender was generations thunderwing, but cause of the budget the little robot got scrapped :( 

    i love pretenders, i just got skyhammer and the bludgeon pretender shell but they are neat toys, i REALLY wished skyhammer did not suffer from GPS, outside of that he is an amazing toy
     
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    It does seem odd that with all the mass-shifting in G1 that the Autobot Pretenders didn't have that ability in the comics. Could've made for a few interesting stories of TF seeing things from a human level. At least one was shown to be able to shed his armour, so shrinking to human size would've been the last bit to get a human-disguised Autobot wandering around among us.
     
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    So shouldn't the question then be in the fiction discussion section?

    If the question is in this here toy discussion section, then their point is, as said: to be awesome toys.
     
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    There's little point in trying to discuss the validity of the fiction and dismissing discussion of the validity of the toys when the entire purpose of the fiction is solely to sell the toys.
     

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