Electric Cars Powered by Solar/Wind

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  1. Superion33

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    Wow, a country thats actually progressive about their energy policy. Gotta love the US with its cave-man attitude towards power and the environment.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23832749/

    They have electric cars that can get 90 miles on one charge. The electricity is provided by wind turbines or solar power plants. Wow.
     
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    You know what? I really do. I think it's awesome that the private sector of the US actually comes up with stuff very similar to what you've linked to and yet, due to the fact that the private sector alternative fuels programs are not yet government-endorsed or covered by the public media, the US is a "luddite."

    I love that for its irony.
     
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    The reason why Europe has this before us is due to their priorities. They heavily tax their fuel. Instead of going with Ethanol or E85 or Hydrogen Fuel, Europe went with solar/wind. They offered huge subsidies to these industries. They nurtured those fledling industries that they knew had the best long-term effect on the environment AND the bottom line. They didn't try and distract the public's attention by focusing on Ethanol. Now, due to our dumb policies, the price of foodstuffs has skyrocketed since more corn is being used as fuel. Less corn, less feed, more expensive meat and poultry, more expensive eggs and milk. And so on...
     
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    My point, though, was about the private sector. A private enterprise - Project Better Place - created this car, not the government. The government is providing the outlet ports in order to power up the car, which is cool...but the United States already has a 120V standard that is used by both the private sector (i.e., you, any commercial locations, etc.) AND the government to power home appliances, computers, etc. - and many of the entirely electric cars being marketed to the US work off of that standard. In essence, our car-recharging stations already exist EVERYWHERE.

    Note the important points here - Denmark, similar to the United States, practices capitalism, so no one will be forced to purchase this vehicle. People may decide to purchase these vehicles of their free will. Similarly, people in the United States can purchase and modify hybrid vehicles to make them entirely plugable electrics, if they so choose. They can also choose to purchase 100% plugable electric vehicles, too. That's a personal decision, not something government mandated.

    If you are unhappy about the fact that the Danes are more energy efficient than we are, then MAKE THE CHANGE IN YOUR WORLD instead of just complaining about it - get out there and tell American citizens about the benefits of electrical vehicles. Buy one yourself, while you are at it, as a proof-of-concept.

    Also, you should note that there are more than ethanol and flexfuel concept motive powers being researched as alternatives to gasoline energy - in fact, much of that research is occuring in the United States. (I know, I just attended a series of lectures on alternative fuel sources!) In many cases, it's the constrictive safety laws and current means of production (we've been making gas-powered stuff for ~100 years) that are keeping the US from embracing alternative energies with open arms. But, again, all that could change if the private sector - us, commercial enterprises, etc. - suddenly embraced alternative fuels alone. Public change --> industry change ---> government change.
     
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    Yes, and what I am telling you is that private enterprise would not have chosen to go along the path they did if government didn't tell them they'd subisdize their work to make them cost effective.

    Project Better Place made the vehicle because the government made an environment for such a product to be profitable! I hope you can understand that point...

    Also, you mistake a simple "outlet" in the US as what they are doing. They aren't just making more outlets. They are in a sense, but they are making them accessible to cars. They are actually making recharging stations. Thats different than a simple outlet here. How many parking lots with outlets next to each spot or recharging stations do you see in the US? Exactly. They do not exist EVERYWHERE in the US.

    Their government isn't mandating that everyone has to own an electric car. If someone wanted to, they could buy a HUGE Hummer H1 and drive it on gasoline if they choose to do so. Just that they would be taxed heavily for their fuel and even to park in some cities. Its not a "mandate" but its more of government pushing towards energy conservation. The US does the same with the farm subsidies. It basically controls the growth of the farm sector by its policies and where it uses its money.



    Basically the government gave them a safety cushion. It prompted private business to start the endeavor. Just look at the US for example. Its only since the US started subsidizing hybrids (by giving large tax credits) that hybrids took off. The government made a policy and enticed the public sector with subsidies to buy it. Europe did the same thing. They have long subsidized their private sector in renewables. They also have some of the highest gas taxes in the world to prompt consumers to buy more fuel efficient cars. Their government's are why this is working.

    Also, Europe is not purely capitalistic. Heck, even the US is not purely capitalistic. Public education. Mail service. Public roads and bridges. Social security. Police. All of those are socialistic. Europe is much more socialistic than the US. To claim Denmark on the same level as US in terms of its capitalistic bend is not facing facts. Their labor laws, environmental laws, and government policies are much more socialistic than the US. Funny how people ridicule Europe for its socialistic bend, but when they do something good, we claim Europe as purely capitalistic.

    As far as your comment about me making the change. Don't worry. I have. I traded in my car which already got decent gas mileage and got the car with the best mileage AND reliability in the Honda Fit. I even looked up trying to convert it into an electric car as you so suggested but the only places I could find were in Cali and I lived in Texas at the time. I was also just getting ready to go back to professional school and my funds did not allow me the luxury of "upgrading" my car to a plug-in.

    I do make my contribution in other small ways. For example, posting such articles on sites such as this. AND I also debate other people who put down such ideas or the reasons why they are working. Your claim that private enterprise all by itself made this possible is preposterous. If the statement was true, it would have happened here in the US a long time ago. It was only due to the forward thinking policies of Europe's governments that helped make this possible...
     
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    I think it would be awesome to have a Tesla Roadster and park it in a garage that is covered in solar panels that power it. If I only had $130,000 to spare. :( 
     
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    I know! Can you believe it goes 0 to 60 almost as fast as a Lambo? They say electrics will eventually far exceed ICEs (Internal Combustion Engines) in performance.

    Don't worry. At first, the cost of anything new is going to be exponentially high till the manufacturers recoup their costs. Then competition and supply vs. demand will make it affordable to the masses. It happened initially when cars first came out. Only the most wealthiest families could afford the first automobiles or the first TVs or even plasma screen TVs. They will eventually come down in cost.
     
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    Well, again - if you think Europe has a better policy on energy than we do, make the change in your world and go live there! You've obviously given up on the United States.
     
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    Why is it that every ending point of an American who is having an argument is "If you don't like it, get out"? Strange, no?
     
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    One day I will harness the energy of my DONG. Then the world will be a better place.
     
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    Why is it whenever some other country gets something "better" the argument always starts with "way to fuck that up US"?
    DN
     
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    HEY, IT WORKED! :p 
     
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    "We're are American, cause you're in America. Greatest country on the planet"
    ----Ricky Bobby
     
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    Because how dare people want and ask for (what they perceive are/subjectively) better policies which are already in use by those dirty ferigners!

    Protip: Countries like Japan and Russia didn't go from a near feudal society to a power to be reckoned with without using foreign ideas. If you want to be at the top you have to try to work with and modify the "better" models that create the "best" results.


    I feel that many people grew up with the US being the big superpower. Now that our leads in technology and the like have been slipping away, we're jealous.
     
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    Now that's something I could wrap my ... uh ... now that's something I could embrace fully! No! I mean ... that's something I could get in front of! Behind! Get behind!
     
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    DONG was referenced wayyyyy too much in that article.
     
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    HAH! You guys ranting about energy policy is so funny, when not 30 minutes from here the largest wind power generation facility in the world is being built. Go Benton County!!
     
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    Which is, in my opinion, dumb. Taxing something to the point where it's unreasonable to get it, really is just a cowardly way of mandating something. Allow for outlets for electric cars, but leave the gas prices alone. The competition of ideas is where excellence comes from.

    Nah, I'd say it's working despite them. As mentioned before, Ethonal is an excellent example of a government trying to fix things.

    I don't think it was the policy, so much as (what I perceived as) the claim of superiority of socialistic governments. Although I'd never tell someone to get out, I can relate to the frustation when others go on and on about how wonderful socialist country X is, and how the U.S. needs to follow suit. Taking ideas and improving upon them is good. Becoming a clone version of another country is bad, basically.
     

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