Dreamwave's Scourge Question

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  1. Smasher

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    While I was bedridden with the flu I reread most of the Dreamwave run of Transformers G1.
    (I didn't feel masochistic so I did not revisit Micromasters. Ugh!)

    Does anyone know what Dreamwave's plan was with Scourge?
    Specifically, what was he talking about with that 'peace' business when Shockwave zapped him?

    As I understand it, Cybertron was in the midst of the Great Shutdown when Scourge revived Shockwave.
    Then, I am unaware where Scourge was and what role, if any, he played in Shockwave's 'restoration'.

    He and Shockwave were both talking of peace, but I don't think they were speaking to exactly the same thing.
    Does anyone know what the plan was?
    Was Scourge supposed to be an agent of the Quintessons? Unicron? What?
     
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    I so wish that story could be revisited. I would buy it up in a second. I loved DW's story. Damn Pat Lee.....
     
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    I think just another one of those awesome storyline's unexplained plot-points that will never be explained because of the douche-baggery of Pat Lee.
     
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    Yeah, they had some cool ideas -except Micromasters...
     
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    You were feeling ill and you read DREAMWAVE comics? Good grief man, what's wrong with you!?

    It was another of Dreamwave's "aren't-we-kewl-look-at-all-these-mysteries" kind of plot threads they hadn't thought through.

    It wasn't just Pat Lee that guided that train wreck of a Transformers series (though he may have been driving) - Mad Brick did his fair share of utter tripe, and Chris Sarra-wotsit.

    Let's just forget it ever happened...
     
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    Well, I also watched Batman:TAS.
    Does that redeem me?

    I liked a lot of DW's stuff but there was some drivel.
     
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    Kinda like all those Kewl subplots that Furman thougt up without really thinking it through for IDW.:rolleyes: 

    Please explain cause I've never hear anything about this. Unless, you just hated the series, so you act if the writers were scaring away readers.

    Though I do agree that Micromasters was horrible, but I think that suffered more from horrible art than horrible story.
     
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    All the DW comics suffer from horrible art
     
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    Even Don's art?
     
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    You know, even Pat Lee's stuff was colored well and on cool backgrounds (because somebody else did them).
     
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    1) You've made an assumption that I rate IDW much higher than Dreamwave in your first response...

    2) What do you mean "please explain...how the writers were scaring away readers?" I didn't say they were scaring away readers. My opinion is that it was uninspired, lazy writing (e.g. "how many TF:TM quotes can we get on the same page? Yeah, that'll make the fans love us!!").

    I haven't really got time now to outline my OPINION on how terrible a series it was, mostly down to the poor scripting and lack of direction (which IDW also suffers from). Apologies if it came across like what I was stating was fact, though I can't see where it does. Unless I have to put IMO in front of everything...
     
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    I have to disagree, DW started rough going in a few different ways with G1 and war within but by vol2 it seemed they had a pretty clear plan. What that is we don't all know as it was never finished. If you read MTMTE it seemed to plant lots of seeds for this over all plan.

    I liked that it looked as if they were going to connect the time between season2 and the movie.
     
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    I disagree with "lack of direction".

    When a series ended in Dreamwave (whether it was G1 Vol 1, G1 Vol 2, War Within, etc.) there felt like a conclusion, with a small door open for a sequel later on.

    With IDW, I never am able to see where the story is going and just when you think you know, *BAM*, the story is over and you have to go buy 4 more comics to figure out the ending (Spotlight, whatever Mini-Series is going on, etc).

    And even then the end is still confusing.

    Dreamwave may have been full of lazy writing, a crook of a "President", and a total fanboy service series ... but it was entertaining, which is far more than I can say for anything IDW has put out or continues to put out.
     
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    I just reread this series as well (I think I do every eight months or so lol)

    But I loved it, and I was wondering about this recently too. Was also curious about the Autobot traitor and who it was. Lots of unanswered questions and I liked Micks writing. You could hear those g1 voices in your head as you read it. Something you don't usually get with TF comics.

    I too would buy this if they revisited it and finished it.
     
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    Well Bumper was the implied traitor, but it could have turned differently.

    Just a natural jump. The people that don't like DW usually fawn over IDW.

    You seemed to imply that the Mick duo were somehow bad for the title, and they contributed to fall of DW as company. I can only assume their contribution to that was scaring away readers, which they didn't seem to be doing at the time. Though I beleive your "how many TF:TM quotes can we get on the same page" statement is quite the hyperbole. Sure they threw in a quote per issue, but I enjoyed quite nicely, and the story arcs were pretty damn awesome.

    I saw a definite direction from the Mick duo that was cut short before we ever got to see the fruits of that plan... where the lack of direction notion comes from, I dunno.
     
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    Thanks, but it actually doesn't answer all my questions.

    For instance, it states that Unicron was in hibernation when he sent Scourge out and Scourge found Shockwave.
    I don't know where they got the "Unicron was in hibernation" information.
    And if he was, then why was he in hibernation?

    Then there's this:

    Well, I still don't think I know what peace Scourge was referring to.
    Shockwave's peace? Then why did Shockwave blast him.

    The Wiki has a good synopsis, but I don't think it addresses my "what was the plan" questions -not that it should.
     
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    They seemed to suggest Arcee as well.

    EDIT: or Gnaw, someone was working for (or being used by) the Quints
    And Smasher, I hear ya. I'm a little more interested in what the humans were gonna do with Scourge, the exosuit program, and they had the remains of superion and devastator.
     
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    I think the next issue that was due out dealt with all the female bots being plants of the Quintes. Bumper seemed to have an agenda of his own, perhaps he was a Shockwave plant.
     

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