Does the song "Dare" rip off Dancouga?

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  1. Fe 26

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    I think only Stan Bush and Vince DiCola can answer that question.
     
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    Which one came first?
     
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    Wikipedia says Dancouga. It came out in 85, TFTAM came out in 86
     
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    Well according to this page
    Yao Kazuki CDs
    the album was released in '87 and as we all know the Transformers Movie was released in '86 so dare must have been written before that.

    Question is not if the series or the album came out but when the individual songs came out, because either way someone copied someone
     
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    You'd have to figure out the day of release of the movie and the day the episode with this song aired on TV
     
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    Does it matter? Lots of songs have bits which sound like others. Just enjoy! :) 
     
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    in the long run no it doesn't really matter seeing as it happened nearly 25 years ago, but thats more than just sounding like, thats exactly the same and that muscial plagiarism.
     
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    good lord thats plagiarism to the max! at the end of the day though I had never heard that Gandam song before i clicked that link and have known about Dare since I was a child. Shows which is remembered more fondly.
     
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    That is pretty relative. I may take heat for it, but I think it is safe to say that the bulk of Japanese and English speaking world doesn't really remember EITHER song.

    Besides, popularity isn't really relevant to the discussion. Would anyone argue that will smith is a better song writer than the artist that he stole must of his samples from on the grounds that his hits are better known?

    probably not.
     
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    I'd say there is next to no chance that Stan Bush and Vince DiCola could possibly have known about the Dancougar song. It's just a coincidence, nothing more in my opinion.
     
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    Interesting. It definitely sounds like there's a plagiarism case there from my initial listen.
    It would be interesting to find the publishing company for each song's records of composition and release dates.

    I'd also like to find out who owns the rights to each song, after all they may be owned by the same person who then jus re-used their own property.

    Hmm, if I have to do a project on rights and royalties in the coming year I think I may have found the songs to pick.
     
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    I usually remind people that there only 12 notes in music and it's impossible to combine them in ways that won't be similar to something else already done in these cases. People are often too quick to cry "rip off." However, this comparison really is too similar to feel like happenstance to me considering that there's multiple parts that correspond between the two - not just the intros. "Exactly the same" is still not an accurate description, but they carry strong similarities.
     
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    I know the dancouga toy was released in the US by Bandai.

    Who knows, maybe both are owned by the same company within japan.
     
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    When it came out should be how to look at it.

    When were both songs written, produced???
     
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    Wow, that is crazy.
     
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    That is absolutely 100% plagiarism.

    It's not just a couple of similar moments. It's the same intro synth, the same guitar melody, and the same synth solo in the middle of the song. That goes way, way past similarity and to the realms of "obvious lawsuit". Not that it'll ever happen since both songs came out about 25 years ago...
     
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    I can't see Stan Bush and Vince DiCola plagiarizing a Japanese song, considering it's usually the other way around.

    Vince is an accomplished writer of music, why would he even bother?
     
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    Chicken and the egg...

    Either way, both are waaaaaay too similar for it to be a coincidence. Not that I care. :D 
     
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    Once the singing started in the Japanese song, I no longer heard the similarity. (I didn't listen to the whole song though). I'm siding with Dare either way. Never heard of Dancouga before.
     
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