Does soundwave..

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  1. NexusPrime99

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    Does soundwave fall outside of the decepticon chain of command? He isnt (and as far as we know never has been) the second in command, yet he seems to answer only to megatron. No one ever questions his actions, and even when starscream was in command, he seemed to always make sure soundwave approved of, or at least didnt disapprove, of his plans.

    Your thoughts?
     
  2. DepthWave

    DepthWave Decepticon Storm Trooper.

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    SoundWave is equal to all Ship's systems, sorta.
    You need him as you need a button to push, for having your options done.
     
  3. DepthWave

    DepthWave Decepticon Storm Trooper.

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    I mean, living without SoundWave is all the same, that living with candles instead of electricity, with grey- white television, that translates only one channel and so on, but living with SoundWave, means having electricity, colourful television and washing machine.
    You can without SoundWave, but once you try it- you'll like it.
     
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    Seems that way.
     
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    I don't think he's a part of it. Don't think he'd fit the job of 2IC.
     
  6. DPrime

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    Anyone who has been or is in the military knows that "chains of command" don't simply go up or down.

    A good example of this is the sergeant major position, or in the navy, the coxswain of a ship. He's basically the top NCO, which means that a large number of officers in the unit will still outrank him. HOWEVER, he really only answers to the commanding officer and/or XO.

    That said, if either of these individuals are unable to perform their duties, the sergeant major doesn't take over. He's not third in command. The next senior-most officer takes over, and the sergeant major then answers to him, whereas before, he wouldn't have. Oh sure, he'd call the guy "sir" and would have to obey his orders - but that would only occur in certain situations.

    It's kind of hard to describe, but in an org chart, the CO would be top, with a line going down to the XO, then lines branching out from the XO to different departments - but the sergeant major would be connected to the XO with a line going off to the side. Makes sense?

    I'm guessing that's sort of how Soundwave works in the CoC. Not a sergeant major type... more of a senior staff officer, advisor type.
     
  7. NexusPrime99

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    While i can respect this, this is TF, not the military. There arent that many ranks, only two that we know of, three if you count communications cheif as a rank. But as stated before, starscream was in command in place of megatron. As in, he was the top, no one higher, yet soundwave still did not answer to him.. They were more of equals if anything.

    Not to discredit the military theory, but in shows like this typically the chain of command DOES go from top to bottom in a simple order
     
  8. TylerMirage

    TylerMirage I vawnt my berdt.

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    *Let it be noted that I know nothing of actual military rankings here, but since we're talking Transformer military ranks, I'll continue. ;) 

    ORLY? True, in a team of five Autobots or Decepticons there's probably not too many roles/ranks they can fit in. But that's not to say they don't have those ranks. We know virtually nothing of the fictional military ranks of fictional characters from an alien planet. Imagine Cybertron, back when the Great War was happening. Hundreds of Autobots vs. hundreds of Decepticons. Who's to say that there weren't dozens of ranks (like there are now)? Magnus, Prime, Major, Minor, SIC, Air Commander, Communications Specialist, Chief Medical Officer, Medical Assistant, General, Captain, Weapons Specialist, Chief Tactical Officer, etc.. I'm no military expert, so some of those ranks may or may not exist together. And yes, some of those latter examples are more 'roles' than 'ranks', but still. There'd be so many different levels of rank and power. Not just "boss", "SIC" and "lackey".
     
  9. NexusPrime99

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    Very true, but when you only have 5 or 6 people that actually matter, more then 1 or 2 having a rank is kind of redundant. Like, you can call them the chief medical oficer, but when your the ONLY medic, the title doesnt mean much. Itd be more of just.. Their the medic. Though aside from that, theres still the question of SW not answeing to SS when he was in charge. In the military, im sure if the top general dies, and another is given that position, they have the same authority. SS was effectively megatron for that time period, therefore should have had the same authority
     
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    Soundwave is the Alpha and Omega, he's the angel of death and his tears can cure cancer but he never cries.
     
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    Soundwave is just a bad ass that doesn't take shit from anyone except Megatron.
     
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    But the real truth is that Megatron takes shit from Soundwave.
     
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    He seems to just enforce Megatrons will. He will obey the second in command as long as its in the interests of achieving Megatrons goals, if its not he will bring them in line and then follow their orders again.

    Its a weird situation but he does seem to have rank, its just kind of flexible depending on the situation. Megatron appoints a second who is a military specialist and Soundwave uses his skills to assist them in whatever Megatron decides they should do. If Megatron is out of comission the second in command still outranks Soundwave, provided they operate according to Megatons agenda.

    They probably couldnt order him onto the front lines or dicipline him in any way but as long as they are doing what they should be doing he will he providing intel and doing what he can to help.
     
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    I like to think of Soundwave as the head of the secret police. Not really within the military rank structure, but he is megatron's top spy, and definitely megatron's eyes and ears.
     
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    I must not have come across as clearly as I meant, because I think we actually agree.

    No, it's not the US military, but it's still the Decepticon Army. I'm not saying it's the exact same setup, but it seems pretty obvious that Soundwave fits in the CoC with a "sideways" line, and not directly in the CoC.


    Megatron - Soundwave
    l
    Starscream
    l
    Vehicons

    I don't know - does that make more sense? It's kind of hard to draw an org chart here...
     
  16. DPrime

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    Yeah, it seems like quite a few of the Decepticons more or less match the classic staff officer system.

    Megatron - General
    Starscream/Dreadwing - S3 (chief of operations)
    Soundwave - S2/6 (intelligence and communications)
    Knockout - Chief surgeon
    Hardshell - Special ops?

    Of course, you never get the essential - but kind of boring - guys like S4 (logistics) or S1 (personnel) in shows like this. :) 
     
  17. DPrime

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    I think we can chalk that up to "personal power" vs "positional power".

    Starscream was a bitch, and Soundwave knew it. He had the position, but he didn't command the respect of the troops. Or at least, Soundwave didn't respect him. :) 

    I think it happened despite the CoC, not because he was allowed to.
     
  18. LordShockwave

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    I believe that since soundwave has been with megatron so long that he doesn't fall in any chain of command. He and megatron are just very close allies. If he did have a position, it seems it would be sometimes higher than 2nd in command and under leader. like a happy medium.
     
  19. soundwave142

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    well soundwave was one if not the first follower to soundwave. He's probably gained respect from brethen cons and more than likely he doesn't even respect them. He not second in command but during the war he was one of 3 lieutenants to megatron.
     
  20. TrueNomadSkies

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    While this arguably makes the most sense, I also like to fondle with the idea of Soundwave & Megatron being the equivalent of secret lovers who go back way past the 80's. To me, this would explain pretty much everything to date, and if tasked to do so, I could probably waffle together all sorts of "proof" to support this possibility.

    However as always, I'll leave that to the experts. :D 
     

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