Do you think there is any commercial appeal to really explore the old G1 cartoon?

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  1. Distant1

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    Hey All.

    I know there is are mixed feelings about G1 or G1 inspired shows. As I have said on other threads I wish that Hasbro (or whoever) would really do missing or relatively unexplored parts of the original G1 cartoon (and stay really true to it). The obvious one is the missing link between the end of series 2 and the 1986 movie. But I think there are so many other areas to be explored. Such as the original triumph of the Autobots over the Decepticons (through transforming - this could show the Decepticons who were in were depicted as statues in the Hall of Heroes in Starscream's coronation, the rise of Megatron (pre the War Dawn episode), the fall of the Renegade Decepticons, just to name a few.

    Do you think that this would have commercial appeal?

    If so, how would think it would be best presented in terms of profitability - cartoon, comic (like IDW) or something else?
     
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    The only thing I would want is exploration of the gap between the Great War and the Beast Wars era.

    Show how the war came to a end. The ultimate fates of characters like Optimus Prime, Galvatron, and so on. Show the Pax Cybertronia being formed and what impact it had on both sides. Were there any post war Autobot missions to engage Decepticon holdouts that went rogue? Show what events led to the Autobots undergoing downsizing and giving rise to the Maximals. Along with the decline of Iacon and the rise of Cybertropolis.
     
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    Thanks replying, I have started two threads without any replies so I did not want a hat trick (three in a row).

    Yeah, I would like to see a connection between the end of transformers g1 cartoon and beast wars.

    I am still surprised how little interest in earlier elements though. You could introduce characters like Sentinel Prime, Leige Maximo, Lord Straxus into the G1 cartoon and make some Star Wars like prequels, but if the fans do not want it, why make.
     
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    I would love a cartoon set between the ending of the sunbow cartoon and Beast Wars. Stylistically like Armada and you could insert the best stuff that we got in later incarnations. Like Starscream's ghost somehow gettimg himself a new body that somehow resembles his Armada body and all the cool stuff like Powermaster Optimus and whatever we never saw in the cartoon and Overlord, etc. We could have Wreckers, a G1 version of Bulkhead, Lugnut and Lockdown. Windblade and Drift. A toned down version of the DJD. There's so much stuff they could do. Shattered Glass episodes, the post war stuff like in IDW, have the Lost Light travel space and find the Knight of Cybertron, etc. I just want it to look cool with a lot of detail and not stylized like they usually do.

    But it will never happen! Cyberverse is basically the most we can get, I guess. And I don't really like Cyberverse.
     
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    I have not seen Cyberverse, but is it like a re-incarnation of S1 and S2 of the original G1 cartoon?
     
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    If it was on netflix for an older audience, id watch it.

    Look up how many seasons of voltron they have done. That show is doing gangbusters.

    Sad thing is it wont happen while hasbro do bottom dollar garbage like machinima.
     
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    I see that Voltron had a 78 episode commitment from Netflix. Pretty impressive.

    I would love to see essential Transformers the War Within Series done but from the original cartoon (rather than comics) perspective.

    I think the assignation (and events leading up to) of Sentinel Prime (as per FFOD) could be compelling viewing on Netflix.
     
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    I'd say nostalgia could be commercial appeal to explore it. I'm honestly surprised they didn't try to tie the new Combiner Wars cartoon into the Sunbow continuity just to further cash in on the nostalgia factor.

    Honestly though, I'm not sure I'd ever want a continuation of the G1 cartoon. It was very much a product of it's time, and continuing it today just wouldn't be the same. The low-budget, outdated animation is what gives it charm and personality. An attempt to faithfully recreate the animation errors and whatnot would probably just come across like a mockery.

    Considering the G1 cartoon was a cartoon, I don't think a comic would work...it would likely be confused with the Marvel comics considering those ran at the same time. A modernized cartoon would be too different-looking and probably be mistaken for a reboot with most viewers. I just don't see how it would work.
     
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    Hopefully no major animation errors like Sideswipe standing next to Megatron in Decepticon Undersea base.

    I just saw the clip of the new Bumblebee movie and just does not seem very interesting. Low expectations are generally good when seeing a movie though.

    I think a movie about the rise of Megatron and the Decepticons could be really compelling. I think it gains more support if it was consistent with the G1 cartoon.

    Cyberverse might be alright but seems more like an adaption of S1 and S2 of G1.
     
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    I would love to see what happened between S2 and the movie.
     
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    well, there were 20 years between, 52 weeks a year, so assuming megatron didn't observe any holidays or work for an extended time on any projects... probably 1,040 weekly plots involving some sort of confounded robot device, followed by him retreating.
     
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    But we know the Decepticons really take control of Cybertron, there are moons to be built an Autobot city to create, Female Autobots to explain the disappearance of, and, new Transformer to introduce. It would not be your standard S1 or S2 episode, the Decepticons get or really maintain the upper hand.
     
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    ............with hilarious results.
    Same old same old, if you've seen any extended war/battle movie ever - just imagine that... with robots. But nobody dies. Then the '86 movie happens. Lots of deaths, then on to Season 3 and we bring back the nobody dies rule again. Problem solved thanks to the Power of Imagination. ;) 
     
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    There is so much scope for death in a pre-movie movie. Skids, Moist and Inferno for starters,
     
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    Quick question:

    Were they ever NOT in Control of Cybertron?

    If I recall the Only and I mean the ONLY Autobots were Elita and her team that was written out to prevent cooties. They were a resistance, RESISTANCE.

    Far as I know it could be jsut that Megatron got tried of living on Earth and moved everyone back to Cybertron
     
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    Good point.
    The origin/start really muddles things.
    First it's we left cos we were losing a battle (and cons gave choice)
    Later it's we were short on energy and had to go elsewhere.

    But yeah the Cons were in control (as far as we know) as in occupied territory.

    However, given the energy crisis, you have to wonder how active is ANYONE back on Cybertron.
     
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    My previous post was presented badly, to make it look better see below.

    I would say the Decepticons have control of Cybertron but not full control of Cybertron. Omega Supreme seems to land on Cybertron without any enemy fire.

    My main thing is that I think for the last 4M years the Autobot resistance is greater than Alpha Trion and the female Autobots in Search for Alpha Trion. The reason being is in the Ultimate Doom episode, Optimus says that there are many friends still on Cybertron (he thinks that Elita is dead and it was revealed he did not expect to see Alpha Trion again) and in the Child's Play episode, Spike or Chip actually contact Cybertron (off camera). Also, there is the introduction of the S3 characters and I think for most of them remaining on Cybertron is a plausible backstory. I think Ultra Magnus, Springer, etc. were often getting energy from other planets, moons, asteroid and that is one reason why they were unknown to us in S1 and S2.

    For me, the story of why the Decepticons moved back to Cybertron is of great interest. Maybe, they got a new fuel source from another planet that allows them to have most of their team situated on Cybertron

    I think exploring G1 backstories (this could be done in documentary style format) are really interesting because we know characters either, die, flee, redeployed (Deceptitraan from the Sea Change episode) or a banished. It is not just a case of Decepticons come up with a new weapon or strategy, the Autobots somehow counter it and the Decepticons retreat and in general, we return to a similar story next week.
     
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    This is something I've thought of for a long time. And a show set in the G1 Sunbow universe would be quite interesting and provide a lot room to play with because of how unique it is from other Transformers series. Remember, G1 doesn't have a lot of the trappings and tropes we have become accustomed to in modern Transformers series. For example, the G1 cartoon didn't have Primus. At no point was Primus or any sort of Transformers god mentioned or alluded to. Things like the Matrix and Vector Sigma are kind of just things that they have. They're not revered as holy relics passed down to them by their deity. Because they don't have a deity. Because they were built by the Quintessons. At least as far as they know. It would be interesting to see some kind of religious awakening worked into the G1 cartoon universe. In addition to everything else that has come since as previously mentioned. I could totally see someone like Star Saber or the DJD being religious zealots who preach the word of Primus, try to convert Cybertronians, but end up going about it in evil ways, with the lesson at the end of the day being that yes, people will use religion for evil, but that doesn't necessarily make religion inherently evil, nor do you have to believe in it one way or the other.
     
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