Do the figures in this listing picture look new or used?

Discussion in 'Transformers Toy Discussion' started by thunder117, Oct 6, 2017.

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Does the packaging for the deluxe figures look used?

  1. Yes, the clamshells look open

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    45.5%
  2. No, they come off as brand new

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    18.2%
  3. Could pass for either

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  1. thunder117

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    Hello guys, sorry I'm posting this here but I didn't have any idea where else I would ask this.

    Backstory: just a sold a CW Superion lot to a buyer, and all of it was used. Silverbolt had no packaging, while the deluxe Aerialbots were in their deluxe packaging, opened already. Listed them as used on eBay, but buyer thought that Silverbolt was the only used.

    The kicker: I listed the deluxes as MOC (mint on card) since MOSC is the acronym used for new products (mint on sealed card).

    Now tell me, would I be in the wrong for listing the deluxes as MOC instead of just used?

    And for the poll posted, do the deluxes look used?

    EDIT: For reference, I used an x-acto knife to cut around the clamshells so I wouldn't have to rip them off and ruin the cardbacks.



    Original photo from the listing:

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    Edited to clarify where you should see the cut openings in the packages:

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  2. Ninjanicktf

    Ninjanicktf She's a killer, queen

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    It does seem a bit dishonest, even if it is hard to tell at first.
     
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  3. thunder117

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    Even if I put used in the eBay listing?
     
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    Near Mint ON Card (NMOC) would be the best option. They're not 100% mint because they've been used in any capacity, they're not sealed and they're not new since the seal's been broken and especially since they've been removed from the bubbles/cards.

    In all honesty, I don't think it was your intention to be misleading, I'm getting a genuine vibe of confusion from you, but in the end, you did mislead. Because you weren't careful with the wording, PayPal and eBay can and will side with him if he opens a claim against you. Best case scenario, offer a partial refund. Worst case, he returns them and you have to resell them with this new info in mind.
     
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  5. thunder117

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  6. big hank

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    I always considered MOC/MIB to mean an open figure with packaging and MOSC/MISB to mean unopened figures with packaging.

    But as a buyer if l would ask for clarification before l bought.
     
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    yeah, i always thought the purpose of the MOC/MIB abbreviation was so you could clarify that the box/card is included and intact, just that the figure's been removed.
     
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    Did you mention the packages were opened in the item description? The buyer is supposed to read that.
     
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    Hmm. Caveat emptor? I don't like what I can't see or can't return.
     
  10. eltonlin98

    eltonlin98 Fess up, stress down.

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    The ones more to the left look like they've been opened, meanwhile the right ones look virtually untouched. I've had items sold to me where it would have been nice to know of an imperfection that was literally just one angle turn away from how it looked in the picture. You probably meant well, but it's just best next time to be absolutely clear with communication
     
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    Nah, it's their bad for jumping the shark. Good job keeping those cards hella nice btw. I've learned you gotta zoom in and see those plastic ties around the limbs if you really want to verify the figure is mosc. I wouldn't use moc in the future because people are idiots. Just say used 100% complete in the future.
     
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    This. You were honest enough about it, MOC is the correct term, but I've been sold a resealed figure before and it is a bit frustrating to get it in hand and realize it was opened, so it's best just to say it was used.
     
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    "Gently used, but near mint. 100% complete with packaging and all inserts."
     
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    Aha... Now, see... You didn't tell us that when you posted this thread. Had we known that little addendum was there, we'd have backed you 100% from the beginning. Yeah, this one's fully on the buyer's shoulders and not your's. That said, this is an excellent teaching moment, just remember to word it directly and to the point so this doesn't happen again.

    Hopefully, eBay will side with you on this one, because it's clear you said used.
     
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    Don’t get me wrong, there’s a lot of sentiment that “people are idiots” but what I would say that people who ARENT collectors, or are simply new to collecting, just do t get acronyms.

    When I list I tend to shy away from MOC/MOSC and use phrases like “never been opened” “opened but with packaging”

    Ultimately, if your not crystal clear, eBay tends to side with the buyer. And it helps me to remember that I’ve made the occasional buying faux pas, so what would the absolute beginner be making?
     
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    I was thinking like you just a few minutes ago until he linked us to the actual auction...

    So, with it saying used and MOC instead of MOSC, he's made it clear that these are all used figures, just complete ones with packaging. The buyer's responsible for not reading it clearly.
     
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    ran into this myself once. clearly you were being straightforward, but i have been convinced that "mint" and "sealed" are synonymous. either way, try to see if you can make the buyer happy. that goodwill is probably worth more than the sale anyway.
     
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    The fact that the listing is saying ITEM CONDITION: Used, is enough to understand (and I say this as a buyer, I never sold a thing).

    Alpha Bravo does look the package is opened even in the untrained eye. The rest are a bit of iffy (again to the untrained eye).

    Personally If I was interested in this I would first send a question message first.

    It might not be 100% clear, but I dont see anything wrong here.
     
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    Since you listed the items as used, I don't see how the buyer can dispute it.
     
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