Do Primus and Unicron count in the orig.13?

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  1. cryoprimus

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    Think about it. They were 2 of the first beings to come into existence and they could transform! Since they were early and transformed wouldnt they count as 2 of the origanal TFs?
     
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    The original 13 are the first Transformers Primus created as a countermeasure to Unicron... so no, they dont
     
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    Where did you get "13" from?
     
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    I know that in the DK Transformers Ultimate Guide by Simon Furman, when talking about The Fallen, it says that The Fallen was one of the original 13 Transformers created by Primus. The Fallen then betrayed Primus and sided with Unicron.

    Though it may have been mentioned other places than that, but that's where I believe I have heard that one from before.
     
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    You know, this is pretty unrelated, but doesn't the Last Autobot have a transformation almost identical to Vector Prime?

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    Arms at the sides, the way the legs fold, nose folds out from back. This could be kitbash material!
     
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    the last Autobot's face is also the Autobot logo. What's his story, i dont know. But some say he's also part of the Original 13.
     
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    Vector Prime????? He pretty much said he was.(or at least the first leader of the autobots, and when you plug in that with other things...it all adds up.)

    Primus-the creator
    Unicron-Primus' brother

    Prima- one listed in The T.U.G.
    The Fallen-WW Comic & Some where in the T.U.G.
    Maximo Liege-End of G2, The T.U.G., & Transformers: Alignment(by:Simon Furman)

    then the combiner thing over at transformers.wikia.com
     
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    As far as I'm concerned, the Liege Maximo is one of the 13, and The Last Autobot either is one, or he's the same being as Vector Prime. But that's not canon.

    at the end of the Marvel G1 run, Cybertron was about to blow. A few humans found The Last Autobot, a Cybertronian legend who was destined to be hidden until Cybertron faced it's dark age. He would use his demigod powers to restore Cybertron and it's citizens to a new golden age. So, the reason he's called "The Last" even though he's been there since the beginning, is because he's not supposed to do anything until almost everyone else is dead.

    Also, at this point, Optimus Prime had sacrificed himself to kill Unicron. The Last Autobot took Hi-Q, the binary bonded partner of Powermaster Prime who still had traces of Prime's spark bonded with him, and used him to rebirth Prime as his Actionmaster self. The rest of the Autobot Actionmasters were a result of Grimlock's Nucleon Quest. Decepticon Actionmasters didnt make much of an appearance, and the ones who did were the new characters (like Treadshot) so no explanation was necessary, it could be assumed they always were like that.
     

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