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  1. Dark_Convoy

    Dark_Convoy Old Bastard Veteran

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  2. Razorclaw

    Razorclaw Are ya gonna draw pistols

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    Actually it makes sense. You never know when you'll need it. Especialy if someone flips out, takes control and starts the space station's descent to Earth.
     
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    you know what would make it easier for that said person to flip out and take control with. how about a gun!
     
  4. Seth Buzzard

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    It makes sense to have it on the Soyuz because that's like the escape pod right? No telling where they would land it could be some where unfriendly or so remote they might have to fend for themselves until rescued.
     
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    Their russians. what do you expect? I´m surprised it´s not a AK-47...

    Ok, joking aside, Buzzbeak has a point.
     
  6. Razorclaw

    Razorclaw Are ya gonna draw pistols

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    Edited and no, guns don't make people flip. I know what you're saying, but not/or having a gun will/or will not make someone flip out. It's better to have a gun as some means of insurance. And what Buzzbeak said.
     
  7. Dark_Convoy

    Dark_Convoy Old Bastard Veteran

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    That was my thinking as well.
     
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    A gun is a tool, like a screwdriver or a computer. I'm sure the gun on the space station is there to serve a variety of purposes. It can be used to protect the station from hostile aliens or crewmembers with the SpAcE MAdNESs, or to protect/hunt if the escape pod doesn't get rescued quickly. A gun can also be used (albeit poorly) to propel yourself in zero gravity, assuming there's enough air in the bullets to ignite the gunpowder.

    Or maybe its in case something goes wrong on the space station, and the crew knows they are all going to die of suffocation or starvation or being burnt alive or some slow, agonizing death, and since rescue may not be an option, its to spare themselves from it.
     
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    Aaron Master of Crystalocution Moderator Content Contributor

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    Exactly, though I bet the odds of aliens and space madness are somewhere betwixt slim and none.

    Except for the whole F=Ma thing. There isn't enough mass within the bullet to provide appropriate acceleration.

    And another except...

    The Soyuz capsule is the return/rescue option for the ISS. There is never less rescue capacity than there are astro/cosmonauts. If something were to happen to render the ISS uninhabitable, they would take the Soyuz to get home. If something were to cause the Soyuz to detach/go bad, then the survival kit would be in the unusable capsule. ;) 
     
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    What would happen if someone shot a gun it in zero gravity?
     
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    Assuming that there is sufficient oxygen to combust the gunpowder, and everything else is equal...

    The force of a bullet fired from a 9 mm Parabellum (relatively common pistol round) is between 483 J (356 ft·lbf) and 442 J (326 ft·lbf). Assuming that our astronaut is around 200 pounds in mass, that gives around 1.33 ft/sec velocity to our space traveller. The bottom end of velocity for Low Earth Orbit is around 22,600 ft/sec.

    So it would provide push, just not much.
     
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    I read the thread title and the first post before clicking the link and got all excited for a space station-mounted laser gun. :( 

    Space lasers: so close, yet so far.
     
  13. Jux

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    They use it to change the TV channel.
     
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    Like I said, it would be a really poor way of doing so, but I think it would provide at least some acceleration (albeit very little). And I meant using the kickback of the gun to propel yourself, not shooting yourself with a bullet. Whether or not that works out to the same kinetic energy as the bullet's impact (due to Newton's 3rd law), I'm not sure.

    But what if they're on the soyuz capsule and things go wrong? What then?
    : P
     
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    Turbocharger We should get more letter

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    Crash landing...riiiight. We all know it's for when the Greys inevitably attack the station.
     
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    Omnibus Prime I'm too old for this shit TFW2005 Supporter

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    Messy. Why not just open the door?
     
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    This reminds me of the scene in Armeggedon when Bruce Willis sees the guy with the gun and asks "Why would you have a gun in space?"


    But he doesn't bat an eye when the space drills have machine guns for no reason.
     
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    The things you learn watching mythbusters.
     
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    In a freefall/"zero g" environment, the force from the bullet is going to be the same as the force of recoil. 3rd law stuff. However, there are plenty of other items in the inventory of the space station that would be much better at providing thrust if need be. Pressurized gas canisters come to the top of the list.


    Then the most likely course would be to de-orbit in hopes of landing successfully. And if they were unsuccessful then they'd not need to use it.

    While Jamie and Adam are among the great ones in science education, all that mathematics mumbo-jumbo comes straight out of High School Physics II.
     
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    Dark_Convoy Old Bastard Veteran

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    I'm not a raving idiot, you know :p 

    Mythbusters had an episode surrounding the subject of the "knockdown" power of a bullet.

    I never took psychics in high school, as a matter of fact I never took psychics period (or astrophysics or quantum psychics or anything else related to it besides mathematics) only biology and chemistry classes - everything else is either self taught or stuff I gleamed from my classes when I got my applied electronics engineering degree.
     
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