Did Optimus know the Fallen or not?

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  1. bellpeppers

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    In the beginning of the film, Optimus and company didn't seem to know who or what the Fallen was.

    At the end of the film, before shredding the Fallen's head, he tells the Fallen "They were your brothers too".

    So did prime know him or not? It seems to me he should have.
     
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    he doesnmt, he got the knowledge from the matrix of leadership, exactly like sam does
     
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    03Mach1 Reason Has No Voice

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    Yep. One of the many plot elements that were indeed there if the audience was paying attention.
     
  4. moondon

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    I though as a descendant of the primes,that he would have a fine knowledge of who they were what they did and who the fallen was.
     
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    "This face had a tongue in it, and could sing once! Alas, poor Fallen..."
     
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    Playing attention with a microscope. We're talking about an instanteous download followed up with no dialogue about it. The Matrix was in his body maybe 30 seconds before The Fallen ripped it out of him (so much for bonding to his spark). I can see how the average movie-goer would be confused.
     
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    I think it might just be a case of Optimus knowing enough of The Fallen to know the basic legend. To the Transformers, the whole tale of The Fallen might be like our own stories of Zeus casting out Chronos and his brothers The Titans.

    That in itself might be an interesting point for a future film. Maybe the gods of early human culture were in fact Transformers? Though that might be stealing a bit much from Stargate SG1.
     
  8. janeDoe001

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    or Optimus was being a Douche by not telling the Humans about the Fallen :lolol 


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  9. jonatron26

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    lol. prime is such a jerk :) 
     
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    Bah, who cares if its taking too much from Stargate, that is an awesome idea.
     
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    Didn't Prime say he was unconcerned about the warnings over the Fallen? Then again, he made mincemeat of him.
     
  12. Chosen40k

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    It's kind of stupid if he doesn't know. (I assume he doesn't since he says "Our History was in the Allspark...." or something like that in the briefing.)

    His relation to the Primes age-wise is similar to that of you and your grandparents.

    I highly doubt you wouldn't know slag about what happened during the time of your grandparents, especially if your grandparents were the first of your kind. :p 
     
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    No. prime did not know the fallen....he obviously knew about the matrix of leadership since jetfire knew about it...i would term it common knowledge about the matrix of leadership and how it disappeared...so prime was referring to the prime's that died hiding the matrix from the fallen....or he could have been referring to the fallen primes that were killed in the battle with the fallen....
     
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    Pretty much all media, adaptations and the movie itself points toward Optimus' getting all the knowledge and the powers of a true Prime after getting Matrix'd.
     
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    It's possible he gained all of Jetfire's knowledge from combination, but the Matrix telling him works also.
     
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    Where did Prime go to when he was dead? Was he asleep?
     
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    Matrix Heaven's waiting line.
     
  18. Bottom Out

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    when you turn off your computer where do all of your documents go? prime was turned off (died) and the matrix turned him back on (back to life). primes a robot, he didnt go anywhere
     
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    Prime's knowledge of the first Primes and the Fallen coming from the Matrix seems to be the intended explanation of the original script, but this wasn't obvious in the movie which is a shame. Optimus certainly did not seem to know much about his race's earliest history or The Fallen at the beginnig of the movie, as evidenced by his statement about 'the Allspark containing the history of their race' and not displaying any recognition at Demolisher's warning about 'The Fallen rising again'. So it seems the Matrix transferring knowledge of the original Primes and The Fallen's betrayal is the most logical explanation for why Optimus suddenly knew the Fallen in their final battle.
     

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