Did Gobots fail because Transformers was better at lying to children?

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  1. G1Prowl

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    One thing is for sure, Gobots handled gender much better than Transformers.



    Also I'd say that the pure media blitz that Hasbro and Marvel launched would have dethroned ANY robot toys. Like Starriors. Now THERE'S a line I kinda miss.
     
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    GoBots had the advantage of the characters previously being humanoid aliens, thus negating the need for any kind of rationalization of gender.

    On the other hand, maybe I'm forgetting something, but I don't remember there being as many female GoBots characters as there were female Transformers.
     
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    Pathfinder, Crasher, and, I think her name was Little Foot, are the only ones I remember.

    Of course I will give points for Crasher being a bruiser who had no problem slugging it out with the boys though. That's more than you could say for a lot of villainesses.
     
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    Yeah, she's by far my favorite character of that show. Great voice, too.
     
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    Crasher, Smallfoot, Spay-C, Pathfinder, Snoop. Just off the top of my head. I think there may have been more.
     
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    Holy shit dude! That was quite the analysis. The comparison between seaspray and dumper is spot on. You nailed it from a graphic designers perspective 100%
     
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    "Waaay before he appeared in the cartoon"?

    How sure are you of that memory?

    From what I remember The Constructicon toys only started showing up in stores a few weeks maybe a bit over a month ,before they appeared on the show
     
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    Ultimately that doesn't hold true

    If so then they would've remained popular and not transformers
     
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    Not necessarily. Did the poster clarify how long it sold better? Remember, Betamax outsold VHS for quite some time before the porn industry adopted VHS, thus crushing Betamax. And even then, where is VHS now? History is replete with items that sold like hotcakes only to die in obscurity shortly afterwards.
     
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  10. UndertakerPrime

    UndertakerPrime I see the story in your eyes...

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    This 1000%
    I admit, I was one of the people who complained when deluxes increased from $10 to $15, but I then discovered that price increase actually brought the toys in line with their value in the 80s, when inflation is taken into account. The fact that we had $10 deluxes even through the mid-2000s is a miracle.

    Crasher is the best thing on that show. She's probably the only character that doesn't seem generic; she's a strong-willed, powerful female during a time when female characters were not usually portrayed that way, especially on a kids show. The Gobots show does get props for introducing female characters right off the bat, with Crasher, Pathfinder, and the humans AJ and Dr. Terkanova (however you spell it) appearing in the pilot.

    I may not be remembering this right, but didn't the TF show only introduce female characters following outside pressure?

    In my area at the time (southern California) I didn't see the Constructicons on shelves until after Heavy Metal War aired. Shortly after I saw the show I wanted to buy them but couldn't find them, so I ended up with what I believe was a Diaclone set from a store that sold import toys.
    At least, I think it was a Diaclone set...the toys had the red and yellow colors, I don't think there were any knockoffs at the time, and those molds were never part of the Diakron line. I ended up giving them away after I bought the "real" Constructicons, since that was my "fake" set LOL
     
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    This looks like a job for--google! (i'm lazy.)

    Found a list.

    Female GoBots list! - Transformers Crossovers - Fimfiction

    11 listed here and missing female monster car so 12.

    One thing for sure the females were the same as the men in the show. They were right in the action and pathfinder is a big leader in the show. Better then the "we are here to be ironhide girlfriend in one episode and never show up again" or "arcee was getting to much action and battle in the show so lets make her a worthless secretary who falls in love and does nothing else in headmasters."

    Gobots did handle females better hands down. Till japan changed them all to males in machine robo. (lol)
     
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    no the poster didn't but that's not really the relevant point I'm trying to make

    even if go bots out sold for a month or year or two, Ultimately in the transformers was the better seller evidence by its initial outliving the competitor and it's continued prosperity

    Same with the VHS
     
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    I can't say for sure but I don't think that was the case

    I do believe that in the UK comics that was the end story reason given for why RC was constructed

    In my area,NYC, at least in some stores they were available for the Christmas rush

    and yes they were good number of knock off transformers available even then at least in Chinatown New York City and in other stores
     
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    So the point you were trying to make was that even if they were more popular for ANY length of time, it doesn't count because they didn't remain popular? Not even sure how that's relevant to the post you replied to, NOR how your original reply even attempted to convey that.

    Laser discs were successful until DVDs came along. Does them being dethroned by DVDs mean they were never successful? Because that is the point you seem to be trying to make. And that point is moot, because Gobots were at least successful enough to garner, what, two years worth of fiction and a toy line that lasted at least 3 years? There are toylines and cartoons that die before the first year is even up. So yes, we can say it was successful, even if in the end they were overtaken by another franchise.
     
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    This scared me for a second, because my original Grimlock and Sludge also were non-TF versions bought from the same store (for the same reason, I saw them on the show and the TFs weren't in stores yet). The Grimlock is still in my collection and I pass it off as my G1 Grimlock, but it would bug me if it turned out to be a KO after all these years.
    However, I did a search on KO Diaclones and apparently KOs from that era have no copyright stamp and I know mine does, so I guess I can breathe a sigh of relief. I'll have to take a closer look at it later.

    But I'm waaaaay off topic so I'll shut up about it :p 
     
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    We were not talking about whether or not the line was ever successful in anyway shape or form we were discussing whether the line failed when compared to transformers, and the fact is it did

    The post I was replying to me to clean that go bots, as a product, did not fail.

    And so did laser disks in the end compared to dvds

    Although I might be interested in debating the successfulness of laser disks in general
     
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    I've known that feeling about whether or not I got a knock off when I thought it was an original
     
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    Crasher also had the best power. What I wouldn't have given as a kid for that exploding fissure stomp.
     
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    makes me wonder how would Gobots preformed in the 90's if it manages to even survive the battle against the TF brand & Tonka not being bought out by Hasbro, despite the molds being strictly owned by Bandai that should have Tonka give royalties to,

    also speculate on how these 90's molds would fit in the Gobots fiction:

     

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