Define a "Different Continuality"

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  1. AutobotMarine

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    While I've seen pretty much every era of Transformers, G1, BW/BM, RID, A/E/C, and the Movie eras... I just want to know. What precisely is a "Different Continuality? Is it a different timeline? Or a completely dimension/universe of Transformers? Or are the characters really different from the previous series. But here are some examples.

    I do realize that the Japanese series don't use "different continualities" like the US versions. They just use completely different characters or almost completely different characters, and a different commander aka. Convoy in every series. The original Convoy I know is different from Fire Convoy, who is also different from Grand Convoy, Galaxy Convoy, and so on.

    The US versions use different versions of the G1 characters such as Energon Ironhide, who I shall make a demonstration of continualities. In G1, he was a strategist, and a weapons specialist similar to Movie Ironhide. But in Energon, why is considered the "newbie" soldier among the Autobots? My theory is, certain eras occur in different dimensions that are parallel to others. Which is why in the Unicron Trilogy, Ironhide is more of a "rookie" than an honored veteran. And Animated Prime is not the commander, unlike the previous versions. This is all due to the different continualities of every era.

    The REAL question is, what is the true meaning of a "different continuality"?
     
  2. DJ Soundwave

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    To make it easy ...it's basicly a different reality.

    continuity is consistency of the characteristics of persons, plot, objects, places and events seen by the reader or viewer.....

    And there is no L in the word by the way.
     
  3. Nevermore

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    First, the word is "continuity", not "continuality".

    Second... see here for more.
     
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    lol continuality

    i think since the AEC and the official fan club comics weve established that basically, all these different continuities co-exist with one another. they basically took the book out of mainstream comics like DC and marvel and established that so and so line belong to so and so continuities and thanks to crisis like unicron and such, some of these continuities tend to overlap thx to dimension jumping hijinks.

    think of these different continuities as tenants who occupy rooms in a house and sometimes roomy #1 catches roomy #2 in his room going thru his drawers and room #1 is like dude wtf? then the landlord (vector prime) comes thru the door oh shit u guys now i have to fix this.
     
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    Dude, it's "Continualitanaliousnessitude".
     
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    It has been confirmed that Transformers is a multiverse, with many different realities co-existing side by side. Some individuals exist across reality - Primus, as Cybertron, exists in many different plains. Unicron is capable of moving freely between realities. Vector Sigma is implied to exist beyond reality, and merely has nodes in different realities. Then you've got characters like Skyfall and Gigatron, who have managed to transcend realities on their own, by accident or by design.

    Essentially, it's like the wheel of a bicycle. The hub at the centre is Primus and the origin of all, and the spokes going outwards are the different continuities.
     
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    I'm probably one of few that do this, but, I personally consider Armada, Energon, and Cybertron seperate continuitys.
     
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    I'm in a smaller group. It's all G1 to me. Muhahaha!:ev: 
     
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    Interestingly (or not, it depends on your POV) I assigned the desire to have immutable significance in an indeterminate universe as the root motivation behind the creation of Cybertron and the Allspark.

    The idea behind an indeterminate universe is that it maintains itself as a more or less solitary entity, and in a lower energy state, because events themselves have indeterminate significance.

    At pretty near the smallest level consider the orbit of an electron: as a chunk discrete energy the electron particle can only occupy one given orbit within its energy state at any given moment. But it can also occupy any old orbit too. In a genuine multi-verse where events where absolutely significant, each possible orbit of any given electron would spawn a divergent reality; but, such a state would send existence into an accelerating spiral of energy state (the more realities spawned the higher the net energy state of the multi-verse). Enter a notion like accommodation, where the multi-verse is not one where each event is absolutely significant: in terms of relative significance it really doesn't matter which orbit any given electron occupies so if the universe can tolerate a little slop in the seams and not actually care (in the proverbial sense) which orbit an electron takes, or even which electron assumes any old orbit, then it can maintain itself at a lower energy state as a single universe.

    As it is with subatomic processes, so it is with chemical processes, for the only chemical processes which would have relative significance are those which are genuinely spurious compared to the average.

    Living chemical processes, since they are self-regulating, actually help to maintain a lower overall energy state. In the end it doesn't matter which amoeba survives and which does not, only that the time frame for accommodation to take place is somewhat longer than with the orbit of an electron (which would be nearly immediate).

    At this point one might think: "Aha! But what about creatures with free will like men?"

    Well, what about us? The time frame may be longer (not necessarily very long in terms of one human life though) but in the end, at least as far as the universe is concerned, we are not ourselves immutably significant. We are not the cause of infinite universes except in the short term. In this reading, "deja vu" becomes a phenomenon whereby people are actually aware of the subtle collapse of these divergent realities into an ever ongoing unity.

    In short, a sloppy universe is a happy universe.

    Enter the being who would become Primacron. If he desired immutable significance so that the universe would be unalterably changed because of him, who he specifically was, then he would have to be the root cause for something that could, at the very least, endure intact to the end of existence (such as it is) as well as systematically eliminate all other competing realities that could arise.

    In my fan narrative that vision finally becomes Cybertron and the Allspark (though there was a first attempt that created the "hate plague" — which is actually a psychomanipulative substance capable of endurance and independent propagation that was designed to remove (and even add) aspects of living expression to conform subjects to be like Primacron ... only for people who aren't like that already the sudden loss of aspects of their moral and ethical makeup led to them acting only on the basis of raw emotive passions like they were fully aware infants ... this because they have no experience apart from their old selves and no ability to draw upon whatever replaced what had been removed).

    Anyway, that's the subtext I cobbled together.
     
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  12. Aaron

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    Mostly what's already been said.

    The Transformers multiverse is a series of universes in paralell with some things in common, and others not.
     
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    A different continuity is an altogether different universe of Transformers, with some TFs nearly identical to their counterparts in other universes.

    Here are a few of the major continuities (universes):

    1) G1 cartoon Season 1, 2, the movie, then season 3, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Battlestars (comic), Operation Combination (comic), Beast Wars, Beast Wars II, Beast Wars Neo, Beast Machines, Wreckers (comic), Universe (comic), then the unreleased Transtech

    Note: Everything in red was released in Japan only. Everything in the US between Season 3 and Beast Wars was replaced with "Rebirth" (G1 3-part episode).

    2) Marvel US/UK G1 comic + G2 comic plus various GIJOE/Action Force comic crossovers

    Note: This continuity saw G1 cartoon Season 3 characters crossover from time-to-time, including Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge, Rodimus, etc.

    3) G1 Dreamwave comics + novels

    Note: I can fit the first Dreamwave G1 Volume, along with the novels, into the first and second continuities. It fits nicely. But that's just my opinion.

    4) IDW TF comics

    5) Armada/Energon/Cybertron cartoon

    Note: Not recommended viewing

    6) Armada/Energon comics

    Note: Armada comics also saw a G1-esque Galvatron, Scourge, Bludgeon, Dirge, and Thunderwing crossing over to this universe.

    7) RID cartoon

    8) New live action movie (why?)

    I know there are many others, but these strike me as the most significant.
     

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