I am so sick already of seeing Megatron being shot to a halt by a handful of human M1 Abrahms tanks, Protoforms being shot to shreds while their fire shows no visible human casualties etc. Anyway, I think it would be a good thing if a select group of Decepticons achieve sabot round immunity in TF3, by using Soundwave's hacked intel. Scalpel should be able enough to reverse engineer a 'cure' on Cybertron. This could be very well incorporated into TF3's plot, in order to re-establish a true Decepticon threat. Who agrees ?
With as many sci-fi franchises that pull the "our weapons are no use!" card, I'm actually kinda glad to see the movie 'cons knocked around by cannon fire. Maybe tone down their vulnerability a bit, but don't take it away completely.
Isn't that what the Autobots are for ? Don't even get me started on the quick plot device that is the human railgun...
I agree with this. I predict a longer in-universe time gap between the next movie, so maybe maybe Megatron and Starscream will fart around with different armours on their Mars base.
I didn't care for the Decepticons being so weak in ROTF, I mean how can some Chevy's or Peterbilts possibly take on F-22 jets or big construction vehicles that can combine. I'm not saying making the Cons immortal to human weapons but just not a mortal to them that they are now, make them an actual threat
If the main Decepticon characters achieve sabot immunity, this will create an interesting situation : Because this will stress the relationship of Prime to the humans. Prime already denied Galloway, Autobot weapons tech in ROTF for the reasons he stated. If Megs & co become sabot immune, but not Autobot fire immune, this will put a lot more pressure on Prime's shoulders to guarantee the humans, safety. That would be an interesting plot twist.
Maybe not from the getgo, but at some point during the movie. A turn of the tide kind of moment in the plotline.
They aren't actually made up of the same material as the alt-modes they scan. They just take on the APPEARANCE of the vehicle and retain their natural armor.
Movie-verse Decepticons are wusses of the highest order. Had I been in the hot seat, the most I'd have allowed the military to take down would be lesser 'Cons like Frenzy, Ravage and (possibly) Skorponok. Anything larger than these three ought to be completely immune to human weaponry.
I wouldn't like it. I want the decepticons to have some kind of weakness. Not like wusses just where they have their abilites and weaknesess.
Completely agree, I'm sick of the Decepticons being so weak. They didn't even feel like a major threat in RotF. All of the TF's should have an exploitable weakness but make it a hard earned victory.
I kinda agree. Make the decepticons stronger to Sabot Rounds, but not completely. Next thing we need is some " Mars Attacks!" like armor where the bullets just bounce off the armor. I'm sick of seeing that in every movie..
It's sad but I think those robots from the Clone Wars are tougher than the Decepticons. They really don't feel like any sort of threat at all when all you have to do is call in an air strike or rail gun to just instantly take them out. Sadly I'm willing to bet they will be just as weak and ineffective in the third film because the production team has to kiss the Pentagons ass so hard just to get the use of some military hardware. About the only hope we have of ever getting tough cool Decepticons again is for Hasbro to crank out a new cartoon. I think for the people making these live action films the Decepticons are just something there to be killed for the happy ending.
I know. Typical Bay makes the army stronger than bad-ass Decepticon warriors when Blackout took out an entire base in TF1.
Starscream more or less took out an entire squadron of fighter jets in the first one, Brawl stood up to the combined attacks of Autobots and Sabot equiped soldiers until Bumblebee got a lucky shot in the face. Megatron may have been knocked around a lot, but none of the human weapons left any real damage, especially in the second movie where the only damage he received was a suped up Prime shot to the face. IIRC Long Haul and Blackout were the only two major Decepticons that humans actually took down, the former took an entire armored division and the latter took an extremely lucky shot in a weak point of his armor. Human weapons may knock the Decepticons around a bit, but they don't seem to have any lingering effects most of the time. And personally, I like the idea that humans are somewhat useful in a fight against the Decepticons. It means the alliance between Autobot and Humans is actually mutual, and not the Autobots constantly protecting our primitive hides. Of course this is ignoring the whole Devastator incident...because that whole rail gun idea was a purely BS cop out.
I like the fact that the military is actually capable of doing *something* to the Decepticons. Despite the sheer firepower being thrown down at the end of ROTF, it was looking as if the humans and Autobots would have been overrun if Prime hadn't come back. Of course, Devastator's involvement in this film was a farce from beginning to end, but that goes without saying.
Bingo. Bay has this kind of sicky thing going on with the military. Please note that my grand-uncle was Navy in WWII and I was strongly scouted and seriously considered that branch in 2002 because of my specific education (eventually chose to do the same job they wanted me for in my community), so this isn't a slam against service. But I once read it described as more-or-less that Michael Bay films the armed forces like it's porn. Honestly, the Blackout thing from the first movie is very much not his typical style and notice that from that scene on, the human armed forces never failed once to damage and/or drive off any Decepticon in a fight. If you take the two movies together, the humans have a far higher body count than the Autobots do. The weapons used, save for the railgun, are also rather well..."mundane" is one word. Blackout was killed what what I believe was a little M34 grenade launcher, the mass of protoform 'cons were caught in what seemed to be the incendiary effects of a bombing, which likely shouldn't have affected them any more than that part of it would stop a tank. We have specialized anti-tank weapons for a reason. Heck, outside of a few of the larger rockets, many anti-tank weapons are specifically designed to either damage the tracks or kill the crew, not blow the thing apart. I have to agree with many others in this thread about the 'cons just not seeming like some world-shaking threat, considering the military actually had a very good record against them. - Coeloptera
In the desert, they needed A-10 anti-tank jets and an AC-130 Spectre, two machines specifically designed to tear tanks apart (not just treads or crew, but the actual tank) to fend off Scorponok. In Mission city, the only 'con the army brought down was Blackout, and they needed a single *lucky* shot to the spark core to do that. It was a sneak attack on an unprotected area while Blackout was distracted, and even then it was just pure luck it worked. They were nothing but pests to Megs, Starscream and Brawl. In RotF, they unloaded everything they could in Cairo, tanks, mortars, missiles, rockets, sabots, etc etc etc, and the only ones they were really able to hurt were barely there protoform drones and Long Haul, with Auto-bot help on the latter. At their best, the military was being pushed back, about to be over-run, even with the Autobot's aid. If it wasn't for Prime coming back when he did they wouldn't have won anything, and I'm sure they suffered massive casualties, just like they did in Mission City and Shanghai. Again, in the end, they only took out 2-3 Decepticons on their own, and it took a LOT of firepower to do. If it wasn't for the Autobots helping, humans wouldn't stand a chance at all. Their weapons hurt and knock around Decepticons, but they don't stop them. In most other mediums, conventional army tactics are completely useless against the cons and only the Autobots can stand a chance against them. In the film-verse, the Auto-bots weren't strong enough to beat the 'cons on their own, and the military isn't strong enough to win on their own, but together, working as one, they're able to over-power the Decepticons. I much prefer how that idea works out then having humans be completely ineffective against an enemy from outer space.
