Cybertron's Fate

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  1. Wheeljack30

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    Why in every continuity except for Beast Wars/ Beast Machines the writers intend to make Cybertron a burried wast land? And how is it possible Cybertron was in good condition in Beast Machines? Does anybody know what happened to Cyberton between the Great War and the emerge of the Pax Cybertronia and the high council during the great upgrade?

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  2. SouthtownKid

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    You see at the end of The Rebirth that thanks to all of Vector Sigma's machinations and its manipulating of Galvatron, Cybertron has begun a new Golden Age.
     
  3. The621

    The621 Fuck you, that's why!

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    Somehow I get the feeling you're related to FunkyMunky, GENOZAUR, and some of the other marks on the forum...

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    The Rebirth explains it one way
    The Headmasters explains it another way.
     
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    cybertron in tf amada and tf engron , tf cybertron too
    cybertron transform in into primus
     
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    Yeah, but Headmasters doesn't lead into Beast Wars quite as well. And on a kind of related note, Japanese Beast Wars is all messed up anyway... like a female character being rewritten to be male... Bah.
     
  6. The621

    The621 Fuck you, that's why!

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    Remember the first episode of The Headmasters? They explained that Athenia became Cybertron II. And you're right. It takes Super-God Masterforce, Victory, Zone, Battle Stars, Operation: Combination, and G2 to lead into Beast Wars.

    Personally, I reject the existence of the writing of the Japanese Beast Wars dub.
    Like many other Japanese Beast Wars fans that decry the Japanese dub, the only thing I accept from JP Beast Wars is BWII and BWNeo.
     
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    In Animated, Cybertron is fully populated, peaceful, and lively.
     
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    Ewoks.
     
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    The621 Fuck you, that's why!

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    He meant organic. His pretext of how Cybertron is portrayed is in the organic notion.
     
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    Actually, I don't remember that. Cybertron was still around at that point, and I don't remember Athenia being referred to as anything other than Athenia. And Rodimus later left to go find a new home for the Transformers, so I don't think he thought of Athenia as Cybertron II, either. But it's possible I missed something. Plus, with three different subtitled versions and one wacky dub of Headmasters floating around out there, it's hard to know if we're working from the same information.

    I just assumed Cybertron got rebuilt at some later point in Japanese continuity.

    But yeah, I'm right there with you in rejecting the BW dub. What a mess they made out of such a great series. I feel bad for the Japanese TF fans.
     
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    Ah, well, he said "in every continuity", so... yeah.

    It only has an organic anything in one continuity.
     
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    ...and only in one portion of that one continuity...
     
  13. Oracle_Aesir

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    Cybertron tends to be used as a barren wasteland in most series' as that's a good example of how too much fighting, depletion of natural resources etc can ruin a location (or planet in this case). Plus they want an excuse for the Transformers to go to Earth in every series!
     
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    It is noted they're in the process of cyber-forming Athenia, but they're never shown to complete it. Cybertron is later established to have been rebuilt in the interim between Operation Combination and Generation 2.
     
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    So is Athenia the new Cybertron? Or an interim base world while they rebuilt the original Cybertron?

    Either way, it doesn't really make sense with Beast Wars/Machines continuity, which is clearly meant to be the original Cybertron... and the characters' disbelief at the planet's organic core wouldn't make sense because either:

    1. everyone would know that, of course, Athenia's core was organic.

    or

    2. They'd know they rebuilt Cybertron with an organic core.

    It's pretty clear that Mainframe's writers had zero awareness of Japanese continuity while writing the Beast shows. So it's no surprise they don't fit.

    And I thought at the end of the Headmasters comic, Rodimus Prime returned, announcing he'd found them a new homeworld. I like the Japanese shows, but the continuity is a headache.
     
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    Rodimus returned in the Manga only, in the anime he just stayed gone

    Cybertron was rebuilt somehow during the Return of Convoy series I believe (again, Manga or prose only)
     
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    It's why I like Cybertron of Animated: Robots actually LIVE in there! This Cybertron is NOT damn scrap metal! :bay 
     
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    What's Generation 2? is it similar to G1 or another continuity?
     
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    it's a continuation of the G1 line from the 90's it only lasted like 2 or 3 years
     
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    You mean the toy line? or the cartoons
     

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