Cybertronians and Magic

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  1. AniProwl

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    One question has been bugging me all through out the day.

    Has there been a continuity where the Transformers had an encounter with magic? If so, when did it occur?

    If not, then how would you incorporate it into a TF continuity and will it collide with science?
     
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    I remember seeing a G1 episode last week with a Quintesson that had magic powers and another figure with them too in that episode.
     
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    The power that Primus and Unicron used in the G1 comic books to manipulate and reshape matter might also be magical in nature.
     
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    Any sufficiently advanced technology becomes indistinguishable from magic. Just insert enough highfalutin' terms to explain away the magic, and you'll do fine.
     
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    Weren't the methods used by Bugly, Bludgeon and Mindwipe to summon The Fallen (as well as the Fallen's powers in general) in Dreamwave's War Within series referred to as being mystical in nature?

    Been a while since I've read it, but I remember The Fallen being sort of a magical being.

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    That was the season 3 episode "Madman's Paradise" I believe.
     
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    I always thought the Matrix was kind of magical in some respect. Along with the Fallen, Unicron, and Primus.
     
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    Cybertron Megatron/Galvatron used magic kinda. I mean, he shot lightning out of his hands and used portals generated from seemingly nowhere. Plus he was a ghost once.
     
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    That's more on the mythology of Cybertronians
     
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    Yeah, this little cult: Chaos Trinity - Transformers Wiki

    That whole bit reads like a Chick Tract for Transformers.

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    No! Not Black Leaf!

    Mind you, where deific entities like Primus and The Fallen are concerned, the line between magic and "sufficiently advanced" technology is utterly blurred.

    But the 2 G1 eps mentioned seem to count, especially "Decepticon Raider".

    Some of the Japanese shows had a kind of "whatever" attitude about it, not seeming to bother with distinctions. I mean Violen Jiger comes off as blatantly supernatural: Violen Jiger - Transformers Wiki

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    Don't you mean "Skeletor"? :) 

    That depends... Marvel's origin for Unicron and Primus put it pretty clearly in "magic" territory (though I never liked that angle very much).

    The Chaos Trinity may refer to their stuff as "dark science" but their means of going about it is 100% magic, with all the invocations and stuff. Between that and some of the stuff that The Fallen did, it's pretty clear what the intended "subtext" probably was. :) 

    Additionally... "magic" is most often depicted as an arcane, lost art... something based in chaos, something that has been replaced by "reason", and as such, confounds it. In the case of The Fallen, one of the OLD Transformers, could his "tech" really be considered that advanced? Or is the "tech" he's using just of a whole different order?

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    There are a few more distinct examples out there. The Tlalakans and their "well of transformation" that managed to to change Seaspray into a merman in the episode Sea Change stands out in my mind. Or the Eurythma's "harminic" powers from Carnage in C-minor (I know, I know) are another. Although their powers seemed to be a natural part of their race, in some respects it could still be considered magic.

    There are even things like Electrum from the episode The Golden Lagoon. It seems to grant beings supernartural powers in the same way ambrosia (the food of the gods) does in mythology. Is that magic? It's an unexplained way of getting new powers. Ore-13 and Ultra Energon from IDW provide a "magic upgrade" too, although that seemed to be a little more grounded in TF lore there was no real explanation given about how or why it worked.
     
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    Didnt see this in the link, but wouldnt BW Tigerhawk have some powers that the Vok gave him?
     
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    Magic is stupid. Kill it with fire.
     
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    I wouldn't be too sure...

    Perhaps Harry Potter would make minced metal out of Optimus Prime....
     
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    Mindwipe's 'hypnotising' method in the Headmasters 'toon? It seemed to involve him putting his hands together and uttering incantations.
     
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    Some years ago, I helped run a MUSH wherein the TFs crashed on Earth in the romanticized early medieval period (ie: 'Con Raider In King Art's Court) instead of the 80s. We went with a traditional concept of magic in that it was energy from the Earth that could be channeled and manipulated. TFs couldn't use it since they weren't of the Earth, but we had a few TF characters learning the disciplines involved which would, presumably, allow them to channel and use energy from Cybertron if they ever returned there (which never happened because the MUSH closed).

    I always thought it was a pretty good way to involve magic in the TF mythos without being too weird about it.
     
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    He shot Skeletor out of his hands?
     

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