Customs: Customs scale reference 101

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  1. Wikkid

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    My hope for this body of work offers a helpful frame of reference for most customizers looking to work with model kits in the creation of new Transformers figures.

    Feel free to add to it at any time here.

    Scales are based on a replicas size in relation to it's real world counterpart.
    This tutorial is not meant to be taken as an exact guide to what anyone can or should build, it is only meant to give a rough outline on scale in relation to main line figures. (So please, don't ask why I would suggest anyone re-shell a Mustang onto a Mustang).

    Up first we have:

    1/32 scale automobiles
    Here, I'm using a 1/32 scale Mustang kit to show it's size in relation to the exact same make and model of car. The 07 movie Barricade is exactly in a 1/32 scale. You can assume that most makes and models of two door model kits will align with this scale to either make a direct re-shell or at the very least, offer parts to be used within the framework.
    Classics Red Alert is also in exact scale to the 1/32 model making a direct re-shell possible.
    *Please note that the most important dimension you're looking for is the width. If it doesn't fit within the width, a re-shell is unlikely to work or will need compromises to complete. Length can be shortened or lengthened in most cases.
     

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    The newer DOTM Barricade is quite a bit smaller than the 07 figure. I would guess it's more of a 1/35 scale. It is unlikely to be customized into a 1/32 body shell.
    .....so, lets see if a 1/25 Hot Rod open wheel body will work.

    1/25 Scale Automobile

    This figure will fit within the width of the body but is somewhat short. It should still work but would have a bit more kibble given the higher roof line.
    Image 5 has a 1/25 Speed Racer Mach 5 fitted on it. Also shown is the Classics Sunstreaker in relation to the 1/25 kit. Not all 1/25 kits will fit over the 1/32/35 scale vehicles, only smaller real world cars such as the Shelby Cobra, Triumph, Mini Cooper, Smart cars or other such compact two seaters are likely to work.

    With the full fenders in place, this 1/25 Hot Rod could possibly be re-shelled over an Energon Downshift or even the Star Wars Crossover Turbo Tank. want something really weird, the ROTF Ravage could even fit within the shell.
     

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    1/32 scale semi truck

    The Armada Optimus is a bit odd in that it's width would scale nicely but not it's length. you could probably re-shell this figure into the cab but would need to do something with the sleeper. Either remove it completely or turn it into a pair of shoulder missile batteries. You would also need a good plan for the rear of the truck frame being either a fold away transformation or make the robots legs longer.
    Image 2 has the 1/32 trailer fitted to the Armada Prime which would make for a great transformable artillery station.
    Other figures shown here in size comparisson are the Star Wars crossover Turbo Tank, 07 Movie Ironhide and 07 movie Blackout.
    Blackout is capable of making this work but you would need to incorporate the fuel tanks into the overall width of the figure to contain the arms.
    The final image shows how much longer Blackout is (Tip to toe, not including kibble tail) in relation to the semi truck. A bit long but any customizer could make it work
     

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    1/72 scale aircraft
    I don't have any Classics Jet figures anymore which would scale up much better. Seen here is the newer movie Starscream mold which is smaller than the previous deluxe size Transformers
    In this case, it would still work but be plagued with excess kibble or at the very least have alot of undercarriage robot action going on.
    The PCC Huffer would fit within the shell as well but would too fall victim to kibblefication.
    The Star Wars crossover Darth Maul has a nice length and width. Frontwards or backwards, it would likely work out nicely.
    Final image is the newer 1/35 deluxe in relation to the 1/72 Jet. It would work but would suffer from undercarriage robot syndrome as most jetformers do.
     

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    1/72 scale Automobile

    These aren't very common but if you find any, they'd make great custom Micromasters or mincons.
    The closest mainline figures I can find close to this scale are the G1 micromasters. (Don't have any WSTs so they might work as well)
    The car patrol d00d is a tad big, but amazingly, the Air patrol F-14 would fit nicely in length and width.
     

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    1/72 scale armor

    Legends class figures work well for tanks in this scale. As shown, The movie Ratchet mold and Warpath would fit these shells without issue and make great minicons or Micromasters.
    Final image is just to show the true scale between automobiles and armor in this size
     

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    1/35 scale armor

    Seen in the first image is a 1/35 scale mobile SAM system in relation to the 1/24 scale alternator line.
    These measure up brilliantly and could work in multiple configurations. Also shown is the Masterpiece Starscream stripped down to bare components which would also work perfectly as it fits within the track system. This setup would make an outstanding Masterpiece Energon Barricade.

    I included an image of a 1/35 British Challenger which was almost directly re-shelled over the Alternators Viper mold.
    The other is a 1/32 Soviet T-52b built around the Masterpiece Seeker mold.
     

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    1/25 scale full size truck and 1/24 scale compact truck

    Seen here is a 1/25 scale Cadillac Escalade EXT in relation to the 1/24 Alternators Prime. They are a near exact size for a direct re-shell. Also seen is a 1/24 Toyota Hilux in relation to 07 movie Ratchet. Both these figures would work nicely.
    Hell, even the 07 movie Blackout could work within the Escalade.
    Other images include a size comparison between the 1/24 scale Alt Sunstreaker and a Masterpiece Skywarp.
    The Skids mold is pretty much a direct re-shell as all the excess roof panels are a kibble fest on this figure and could be removed without compromising the robot mode. The Alt Rumble may be a bit tight and the Masterpiece Hot Rod is a no go due to the robots legs being overly wide. This does not mean it cannot be worked around as you could either build a flat deck to cover the legs (Kup) or even a tow truck assembly (Hoist).
     

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    1/24 scale Automobiles

    First image is just to clarify the models on display here being a Lancia Stratos and the 280Z Turbo. As seen, the Alt Viper is too wide for the 280z but would fit the wide body of the Stratos. The Honda Civic could fit either. This is not to suggest these are the ideal figures for such builds but only showing that wider Alternators will only fit within widebody, low profile exotic cars such as Lamborghinis, Ferraris , etc. Alternator figures such as the Civic, WRX, or S-2000 would fit within the shell of cars such as the 280z.

    The Masterpiece Seeker mold will fit within almost any 1/24 scale car once all the non-essential bits are removed.

    Masterpiece Hot Rod is unlikely to work on any car without an extreme widebody attachment.
     

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    1/48 scale aircraft (Large)

    the B1 Lancer is a HUGE plane and I don;t expect anyone to build one but in this tutorial, it's inclusion is to demonstrate what class of figure would work for things such as a B-52, Concorde, Blackbird, or other large commercial airliners while sticking to the scale established by the Masterpiece Seekers.
    In this case, only supreme class figures would even be close to working such as Armada Unicron, Cybertron Primus or even energon Omega Supreme. Masterpiece optimus isn't even in the ballpark.
     

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    1/48 scale aircraft (average)

    The best I can guess is that the Masterpiece Seekers are in a 1/48 scale, or at least can be worked with in that scale.
    As shown in the images, the Falcon is a small jet in comparison to the F-15 Eagle while the F-14 Tomcat is HUGE. I found the GR4 Panavia Tornado is almost an exact match and could be re-shelled directly to the mold. There are ways to make all these aircraft work using the parts of the Seeker but that is up to the enginuity of the customizer.

    Also shown is the 1/48 scale Tornado in relation to a 1/24 Alternators figure. This too is a possibility for parts. the image following shows how much wider the Viper mold would be in relation to the aircrafts underside.

    An 07 movie Blackout is unlikely to work without some serious brain farts of wisdom.

    The final image is a somewhat sucessful 1/48 scale Blackhawk re-shell over the Alternators Skids figure.
     

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    1/25 scale semi trucks

    Seen here is the MP-01 mold in relation to a 1/25 Paystar cement truck. The sizes are an exact match but wouldn't work very well as a direct re-shell. It would be best to incorporate the parts.
    Also seen is 07 movie Optimus Prime which is slightly smaller but could also work given some great ideas and ballz to start cutting.
    The Masterpiece Seeker and Grimlock could also donate parts or combinations but as stand alone re-shell are unlikely to work.
     

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    Opps, almost forgot...

    1/20 scale automobiles


    All I have for references are past builds for this one. A 1/20 scale normal car would be huge but when you have something that's genuinely small such as an Indy car and you need it to fit a 1/24 scale figure, you'll find 1/20 is perfect for this.

    The first one is a Tyrell P34 directly re-shelled over the Alternators Viper mold.
    The second is a Lieger JSP re-shelled over a combination of Alt Skids, Sunstreaker and Prime.
     

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    If any of you guys have anything to contribute here, please feel free to do so!

    Feel free to post any links to your customs in Radicons here as well.
     
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    This is awesome! Thanks, Wikkid!
     
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    Bumped into this thread and am curious as to thoughts from the masters in regard to the "new MP" line's scale. What with the officially liscenced alt modes and a nominal attempt at consistency within the line, I'm sure they could be pegged SOMEWHERE....but I haven't been able to find anyone make any moderately definitive claims as to where.

    Thoughts?
     
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    FANTASTIC GUIDE! I think this is a great resource that will come in handy for a long time.
     
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    I've got more to add to this thread (should I ever get around to it)

    The new MP car scale is just under 1/29. A 1/29 scale model is just slightly too large for them.
    Other smaller class vehicles such as a 1/25 Jeep or even a Shelby Cobra could fit the current MP chassis.
     
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    NICE!!!! So helpful!!
     

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