Conting Error in movie and on the wiki...

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  1. SaberPrime

    SaberPrime Well-Known Member

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    I just got finished watching Dark of the Moon again and noticed that Simmons can't count. I looked this up to see if the wiki mentioned it and they did but apparently they can't count either and quoted the wrong character.

    "When the Autobots are boarding the Xantium, Epps mentions that nine Autobots are leaving. Former Decepticons Wheelie and Brains apparently don't count. Poor little guys!"

    Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film) - Transformers Wiki

    As you can see the wiki credits Epps for for a line that was actually spoken by Simmons. The number of Autobots being nine is what was said but if the wiki is only excluding Brains and Wheelie the number is still wrong.

    1. Optimus Prime
    2. Bumblebee
    3. Ratchet
    4. Sideswipe
    5. Dino
    6. Que
    7. Wheelie
    8. Brains
    9. Topspin
    10. Roadbuster
    11. Leadfoot
    12. Skids
    13. Mudflap

    That's right off the same wiki page as all the Autobots in the movie. Skids and Mudflap may also of not been counted which would make the number right but they were seen driving with the Autobots in the movie and it could be assumed they were already on board.

    Also while Jolt is not not listed as being in the movie it was never shown that he died in RotF so we could assume that he is either just never on camera or died some time between movies. Either way there are actually 13 or 14 Autobots not 9.

    Come to think of it except for that one scene of putting Jetfire parts on Optimus we never really saw Jolt in RotF either so it's very easy to imagine him just existing off camera some where.
     
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    They may have only been counting the 9 Autobots who are a significant value when it comes to combat. Looking at the size of both Brains and Wheelie, they wouldn't be as much help out on the battlefield, and are nothing like TF1 Frenzy who was well equipped to infiltrate and kill human targets. Brains and Wheelie's size would benefit them both when it comes to infiltration, but definitely not combat. Thats probably why they were put into a dog cage, or why they lived with Sam to begin with rather than working with NEST and the other Autobots.

    However, as we all saw, they eventually prove their worth to all the others by bringing down an Decepticon warship and saving all the captured Autobots from Soundwave and his contingent of 'Cons.
     
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    Why are you counting Skids and Mudflap? They're not in the film, for all intents and purposes. Sure, there's some background footage where they kinda, sorta make an appearance, but they're never officially recognized.

    And even if they were still in the film, they would've been killed off by that point.

    So that's why your count's off. You're either counting two non-existent characters, or two piles of rust.


    Still doesn't entirely excuse Wheelie and Brains. But I guess, when you're delivering a parting speech about giant heroic robots, the little guys kinda get lost in the shuffle.
     
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    You seem to have missed the point. Brains and Wheelie are only 2 Autobots. That still makes 11 or 12 full sized Autobots, not nine.

    Speaking from an real world perspective sense Skids and Mudflap weren't suppose to be in the movie and Jolt never really was in the movie that would make 9.

    From an in story perspective however there's still at least 11 Autobots. However it could noted that Simmons has never actually met Dino or Que before and probably doesn't know they exist. They hadn't arrived yet when it was said so the only new characters Simmons knew about were the Wreckers (who live there) and Brains (who he met earlier in the movie).

    But then we have to assume Jolt died at some point.
     
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    That's a real world cop out that doesn't hold relevance to an in story plot point. They still count because...

    The fact that...

    Is irrelevant to the story.

    Why would they have been killed off? We never see them in combat, they're never killed. They were seen driving to the shuttle launch so they couldn't have been killed off camera either.

    For all intents and purposes Skids and Mudflap are indeed in the movie and alive. They do count. The only way they don't count is by the real world reasoning not in story reasoning so Simmon's count would have to break the 4th wall to make that work.
     
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    Actually, they were killed off in the book. Rumor has it that's why Michael Bay didn't have them in the movie.


    jD001
     
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    The original intent was to have them die right after Ironhide. That is how it is in all the adaptations, which are based on the earlier version of the script where they were still in. They would never have been included in the count had they been in the movie, and as the decision was taken to remove them from the story, the count is still accurate.
     
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    In fairness, Skids and Mudflap wouldn't count because they would've been dead by the time the exiling of the Autobots came around.

    Maybe he just doesn't count Wheelie and Brains as Autobots?
     
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    Seriously.

    Another thread about this?

    :banghead: :thumbdown 
     
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    Skids and Mudflap were kileld along ironhide offscreen

    Jolt was killed by shockwave 2 years before DOTM happened
     
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    The Twins were dead long before this scene.....yet that still leaves 11.....so...yeah....you just found an error.:) 
     
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    Not really. Simmons says they're exiling nine Autobots. Not "nine Cybertronians" or even "nine robots". Wheelie is an ex-Decepticon and Brains is a Decepticon-built memory unit that achieved sentience. Technically neither of them are Autobots.
     
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    ^ This, this, and this.

    If you watch closely in the carrier ship footage, you can even see Wheelie still has his Decepticon insignia clearly visible on his back after "switching sides," just like Jetfire.

    Plus, NEST obviously doesn't even care that they're basically living as civilians rather than kinda being kept under government watch like the rest.

    It's a little strange to hear them dismissed like that, sure, but it's not too hard to figure out what's going on there.

    Not an error.
     
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    So the Wreckers aren't Autobots?

    Edit: Silly me....I was also counting wrong.....so....that is still not nice that they didn't count Wheelie and Brains as Autobots.
     
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    1. Optimus Prime
    2. Bumblebee
    3. Ratchet
    4. Sideswipe
    5. Mirage
    6. Wheeljack
    7. Topspin
    8. Roadbuster
    9. Leadfoot

    Wheelie and Brains dont count as official autobots
     
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    What? Of course they are. Hence their inclusion in the headcount.
     
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    Jolt died in Rising Storm.
     
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    Actually they were to be killed off because Micheal Bay didn't want them in the movie. People claimed they were racist despite multiple protests from the cast and crew including the black voice actor of Mudflap who said "I fuse to believe that I am racist against myself."

    No it isn't because we see them driving to the sight of the shuttle after Ironhide was killed. If they were meant to be killed along with Ironhide what were they doing alive after that?

    As I said above, they were seen driving to the shuttle with the other Autobots so they wouldn't be dead and would've been exiled with the other Autobots. They weren't actually seen at the shuttle but it could be assumed they were already on board by that point. They were just seen driving to it.

    See above, no they weren't.

    Nope, they're clearly still alive directly before the exile.

    Nothing in the movie actually says that Brains was ever a Decepticon. In reference to Wheelie however he did technically switch sides so the fact that he was originally a Decepticon doesn't really matter.

    Jetfire is dead so not sure why you mentioned him other than to say he had Decepticon insignias when he switched sides. Also Sentinel Prime still has Autobot insignias when he switches sides. Technically though Wheelie is an Autobot even if he never changed his faction logos.
     
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    Edited my post....sorry.:) 
     

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