Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Master Fwiffo, Feb 10, 2006.
Fine by me. This is almost like no spandex for X-Men movies... you think 'aw man... then realize... wait this probably a good thing'
an maybe the mass shifting will appear as more advanced technology in one of the other movies?
One downside. Kills the tape player, etc ideas. Now I realize they probably wouldn't have ever used them, but that was one of the coolest parts of G1, and was one of the absolute best disguises.
I know it's not the most important aspect of the film or show, but you get what I'm trying to say.
I think adding it in at a later time (such as sequel) would be a good idea.
Probably means everyone will be vehicles, unless there's gonna be some smaller, or larger guys that turn into other random stuff.
At a guess, all of the initial characters will be roughly the same size -- otherwise they're going to have difficulty interacting.
When they say no mass shifting, though, I doubt Prime is going to be twice as tall as everyone else. They probably just mean "no tape players", etc.
Not necessarily. We might see either an itty-bitty little Soundwave robot or a bloody enormous tapedeck.
Maybe we'll get a guest appearance from Stuart Little...
That's easily solved if you use Binaltech's GT technology. Just give him a second body that's the size of a radio or something that he can control from a distance.
If this is taken litterally as no mass shifting at all, be prepaired to see car 'bots a lot smaller than you're used to in 'bot mode and Starscream and his jet buddies towering over all in 'bot mode. I'm talking like Prowl will barely reach the top of Starscream's shin. Do you think they'd really do that?
i'd be down with that
It certainly would help add to the smaller good guy finding the strength to fight the bigger bad guy. Which is what they're trying to convey to children apparently in the cartoons and the like. I dunno, seems like a really dumb idea to me. Although these are the guys who did Legend Of Zorro, which was definitely subpar to the original. Draggy and forced.
Mass shifting removal is starting to seem more and more like a bad idea.
I actually posted a whole load of stuff about this back in june last year in the general forum - including a lot of data, worked out by measurements of the toys - of what the sizes of different TF's would be without size/mass shifting. Just as to sumerise here are the heights of just a few in feet or meters if you take mass shifting out of the equation:-
Bot height/ feet & inches height/ centimeters
Seeker (any) 40' 8'' 1240cm
Optimus Prime 21' 642cm
Tracks 17' 10'' 544cm
Jazz 14' 9'' 448cm
Bluestreak 13' 2'' 402cm
Wheeljack 12' 1'' 370cm
Sideswipe 13' 7' 414cm
Bumblebee 18' 9' 574cm
So there you have it folks - giant size seekers and Bumblebee as second biggest out of those listed to Prime.
Anyone interest in a more exhustive list and/or the working outs can PM me.
Actually, why would the Seeker jets need to be full size? They'd be in the air most of the time, only needing to fool people from a distance...
*waits for a petition to begin that demands very large cars and very small jets so that parity is restored*
I'm assuming there will still be quite a bit of size 'fudging', so robots can interact and not be hugely different sizes, and "no mass-shifting" applies more to the idea of huge multi-ton robots transforming into something a human (or even another robot) could hold in their hand.
Hey, if you followed the Dreamwave MTMTE books, they allowed for size-shifting without mass gain or loss, by having the transformation include parts that unfolded or collapsed in the process, thus the smaller mode was denser and more heavily armored as a result. Not saying the writers would run with that concept, but at least it's a potential way out of the "jet guys be way bigger than car guys if no mass-shift" quandry.
I think the real answer is "average movie goer won't be overly concerned".
I was just going to post almost the same thing, I mean it’s a disguise, not an exact copy and well they could pass the whole thing off as transformers when they first got to earth didn’t understand that things need to be a certain size, its just that the autobots picked things they were about the same size as while the cons went for the most war like things they could find ignoring how big or small they were meant to be. Of course I don’t think that means megatron should be a giant handgun.
I thought it was said before that soundwave would be a helicopter?
True. And it relates quite nicely to their different attitudes: the Autobots go to the trouble of blending in while the Decepticons just want a disguise that will allow them to get within striking distance.
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