Combiner/Gestalts... Lets Settle this .

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  1. DJ Soundwave

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    Alright ....I sometimes wonder what you all consider a "Combiner"/"Gestalt"...... ofcourse here are all of the obvious Combiners...

    Decepticons/Predacons:

    Devestator
    Menasor
    Bruticus
    Predaking
    Abominus
    Piranacon
    Monstructor
    Lio Kaiser
    Dinoking
    Battle Gaea
    G2 Devastator (yellow)
    G2 Devastator (orange)
    G2 Bruticus
    Tripredicus
    God Neptune
    Baldigus
    Ruination
    Arctic Ruination
    Desert Ruination
    Decp. Sixwing
    Devastaor 6 Builder
    Black Sixturbo
    Universe Devastator (micromaster)
    Devastator Maximus
    Bruticus Maximus
    Universe Devastator(Landfill repaint)
    Classics Devastator



    Autobots/Maximals:

    Superion
    Defensor
    Computron
    Raiden
    Road Ceaser
    Landcross
    Sixliner
    Sixbuilder
    Sixwing
    Sixturbo
    Sixtrain
    Guard City
    G2 Superion
    Magnaboss
    Tripredicus
    Sixbuilder (repaint)
    Berserker Sixwing
    Sixtrain (repaint)
    Hate Plague Sixtrain
    Black Landcross
    JRX/Railracer
    Buildking/Landfill
    Landfill (yellow)
    Superion Maximus
    Universe Superion(micromaster)



    But I don't Consider these following ones Combiners( yes they do combine, but aren't full gestalts).......

    Slamdance
    Squawkbox
    God Ginria
    Victory Sabre
    Omega Prime/God Fire Convoy
    all the AEC Primes Combined you know with Overload,Jetfire, Wing Sabre...Ect..

    Alot of people consider these as combiners....I want to know what you all think.

    We need to try to settle the entire "Term" of "Combiners".
     
  2. Valkysas

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    if they combine, they're combiners. even the "armor" type combinations with the various primes.
     
  3. Prisoner1138

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    I dunno about the masterforce and AEC junk, but squawkbox and slamdance are combiners/gestalts, and probably victory sabre as well.

    Why is it that you think they aren't?
     
  4. smkspy

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    I consider any that combine...well combiners, but Gestalts to me form their own unique personality when combined. Unlike AEC Optimus who is always Optimus despite have a seperate personality attached to him.
     
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    ^this
     
  6. DJ Soundwave

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    Mainly cause when the definition of Gestalts is mentioned, It comes to where several parts form one new mind and personality.

    ones like God Ginria, Victory Sabre, the AEC Primes, and/or others who use one for armor, don't form a new personality, they are still the main body's mind.....

    you understand what I'm saying.
     
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    According to that then Slamdance/Squawkbox combined is a Gestalt since it produces a 3rd character/personality.

    I clealy distinct between Gestalts and Combiners. Gestalts are made of "subforms" that form a new personality. Combiners can combine with eachother and their armor etc but as long it doesnt "produce" an new character/personality it isn't a Gestalt.
     
  8. Grimlock_13

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    Yep.
     
  9. Bryan

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    We do. In fact, it's crucial. Been keeping me up at night, even :D 
    I'll add another vote for this. Works perfectly for any example on your list.
     
  10. DJ Soundwave

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    Another thing is, that not everyone uses the word Gestalt, so if there is going to be a difference between the two terms, there need to be a lesson taught to every Transfan.
     
  11. Voiceroy

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    What's to settle when there's a dictionary definition for "gestalt"?

    http://m-w.com/dictionary/gestalt

    And it's only hardcore TF fans that use the word anyway. For most everyone else, they're "combiners". I don't see what the big deal is. There's no need to "educate" fandom on something that seems so trivial.
     
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    So energon dudes don't count?
    The combined robots are dominated by the "on top" robot? Correct? like Rodimus and Prowl.

    I think you forgot Energon Perceptor and Armada Perceptor for your list because those dudes would count I would think.
     
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    To muddy the waters some more, I believe that in the original fiction the Micromaster Sixcombiners were the opposite of a gestalt, i.e. their combined form was their "main" personality, and they were able to "decombine" into their component pieces.
     
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    Ooooooh!!!
    You just blew my mind! Now I am going to be fixated on that all day! :D 
     
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    They are all Combiners!
     
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    If multiply characaters combine to create a new robot ( no matter how many ) their Gestalts!

    That how i've always thought of it!

    If i'm wrong...I'll repent on my death bed! :lol 
     
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    The changed personality, is the way I would believe a combiner/gestalt would be defined. Ones that have two alt vehicles that combine to form one robot, would not be a combiner. (Duocons).

    The tape combiners would be questionable since they had a Tape/beast mode, and then a combined robot mode. Other tapes that only have beast modes would have personalities but would it be considered the same as a robot personality?
     
  18. flamepanther

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    All gestalts are combiners. Not all combiners are gestalts. If they combine, they're combiners. It's inherent in the very word.
     
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    I never use gestalt. Not only cause it's unofficial, I just don't like it. Same with seeker.

    Also Omega Prime seems to have a unique merged personality.
     

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