Clearing up the Constructicons/Devastator scenes confusion

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  1. Tyrannosaur

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    Recent reports state that even though Devastator has combined individual constructicons are still running around wreaking havoc. Here are my theories to clear up this confusion:

    Theory #1
    Devastator actually is a constructicon. He's so massive, similar to Arcee, a combination of vehicles represents his robot mode.

    Theory #2
    Decepticons have many different molds so it's common that some may share the same bot look. For example in "The Reign of Starscream" series Dreadwing has an army of drones that look exactly like him (Minus a few details, mainly color). So there are multiple Constructicons that share the same design.

    Choose whichever one. Whatever helps you sleep at night :thumbs2: 
     
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    Theory #3,
    the people who made the film didn't think it important to attach individuality to robots.
     
  3. Tyrannosaur

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    Dammit! How could I forget the most truthful one of all? Lulz
     
  4. Cosbydaf

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    Far be it from me to excuse inconsistencies, but there was an idea I had regarding this:

    If Grindor is indeed a clone of Blackout, it would make sense for the Decepticons to clone multiple Constructicons, in case one of them was destroyed in battle, so they could still form a complete Devastator.

    Because it'd kinda suck for the Constructicons if the only guy they have that can turn into a leg or a torso gets scrapped.

    But I doubt they really gave a crap, so take that for what you will.
     
  5. Omega Charge

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    I agree with #2 and with what Cosbydat said.
     
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    You know what would have been cool? If there are so many constructicons, why not combine into multiple Devastators? Lol.
     
  7. Cosbydaf

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    That was the problem I had with my theory. Could be the Decepticons could only clone so many at a time, or the combined Devastator form requires too much energy for more than one, who knows.
     
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    I thought of the same thing. I guess it's a plot hole for now.
     
  9. scalan15

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    there is a perfect explanation of repaints, with Grindor, If a protoform scans the same helicopter, don't you think they would transform the same and have the same robot mode? I think that explains grindor right there. Same with scavenger, same vehicle, same robot mode. The Arcee bikes are mostly the same.
     
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    It's not really a plot hole just because there's no real answer to a hypothetical situation.

    A plot hole would be Bumblebee suddenly turning into a tank for the rest of the movie, and nobody remarking on it at all.
     
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    I may not know this, but has it been confirmed that Demolishor and Scavenger in the movieverse are almost identical, or is it just speculation from the red excevator in the Supreme Devestator set having "SCVNGR" or something tamographed on it?

    Also, while a Protoform may can the same vehicle mode and have the same robot mode, would they also have the exact same symboyotic scorpion acting as the engine?
     
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    Here's a thought: They only have two hours to put a story, characters and special effects together, so they can't always give everyone a gripping and Charles Dickens-level backstory.

    From what we've been told, that's actually canonically possible. Devastator is literally made up of whatever CCs happen to be around, be it six or sixty. But those robots have the ability to combine, and whatever they turn into is called Devastator. The only thing is there's only so many Constructicons in the movie.
     
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    There's always the expanded universe. Worked wonders for Star Wars. Hey, you know that guy who all we saw of was his foot for 1/4 of a second in episode VI? He's the second most important character in the entire universe!
     
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    It has been said that this is the same scorponok from the first movie
     
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    Oh my lord, Devastator is Different from G1!!!! he isn't a static team of the same 6 robots combining into a static configuration? Oh noes!

    And how *DARE8 they have 2 robots that look the same. The orginal G1 *never* had 6 robots that looked and transformed the exact same way because that would have confused our pea-sized brains. No wonder people are walking out of theaters and asking for their money back because there are two helicopter bots that make the story too confusing.

    I am unsure why people are purposefully faking confusion because things don't match up to our established understandings of how previous characters work.
     
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    The way i see it is there are two teams or two sorts of constructicons.

    There is the first group which can transform and have a individual robot mode

    Then there is the second group who roll around in alt mode togeather and when the time is rite scavanger rips his chains out and they form devestator.

    So im guessing the ones that form devy will die in ROTF but maybe longhaul mix master etc might survive.
     
  17. Cosbydaf

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    Except it's been explicitly stated about a million times over "THIS ISN'T G1!'", so why would we expect the movie to stick to established understandings? Are the inconsistencies really just subtle G1 references?

    Or maybe after Devastator and all the other new bots, they had to reuse character models and they didn't bother to explain it because they know nobody but TF fans would care anyway?
     
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    In a cartoon meant to be made cheap and fast - unexplained duplicate characters are far more forgivable than in a high caliber, mega budget motion picture. The G1 cartoon comparisons are unfair. In a huge mainstream movie, you don't want to leave people in the dark. Measures should be taken to insure clarity for the audience. It's imperative.

    Does that mean ROTF needs to hit people over the head with huge exposition and development with every single robot? It doesn't have to go that far, but on the opposite end of that, showing a character doing one thing when another that looks just like it is then shown elsewhere can easily slip into mindfuck territory. That doesn't fly.

    You shouldn't have to make excuses for a movie and come up with your own explanations. If the narrative of the movie itself and what's shown on screen doesn't make sense on it's own accord, well, what kind of film making is that? I wouldn't say it's quite effective. I certainly don't feel you should never have to THINK about movies sometimes, but "what character is that? what the fuck is going on?" type of questions shouldn't have to be asked. Especially for a summer action movie.

    You've also got to consider that a lot of people watching aren't going to be massive fans with an extensive knowledge of the franchise. This film will draw in quite a large general audience. The fan arguments like "G1 had clones so STFU!" can't possibly apply for them. Having one set team of Constructicons would have been the most effective course in establishing the identity of the characters for the audience. Nice and easy to follow. Is it really so awful to think that?

    There's always the protoforms for cannon fodder, and those could easily be explained as protoforms and reformatting have already been established in the movie universe. Confusing multiple versions of new characters aren't necessary.
     
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    It is obvious to me that the Constructicons are used like Cobra Troopers in the movie.
    You have the basic 7 designs that are used to combine to form Devastator and you have lots of lookalikes.
    Demolishor is a lookalike of Scavenger.
    The yellow toy Rampage has a red lookalike in the movie. In the movie, the red guy is the one called Rampage.
    There are also many lookalikes used in the background. Many protoforms are also used in the background.
    In the background is also a Bonecrusher lookalike.
    Grindor is just a Blackout lookalike.
     
  20. ManiactoaLaco

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    I bet they could get enough constructicons to form a 450 foot Devastator..

    MTL
     

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