Customs: Classics Ironhide/ratchet and Energon Towline

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  1. Demonss

    Demonss Well-Known Member

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    Has anyone tried tearing the head off ratchet or Ironhide and seeing what it looks like on towline?

    I don't have one here so I've got no idea what the scale looks like, but needless to say.. I hate the classic Ironhide and ratchet.. The fact they do a TFTM Jazz impression every time they transform pisses me off
     
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  2. MrSoundwaveGuy

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    I made a custom Ironhide from Towline. The classics Ironhide/Ratchet is just hugely disappointing. Don't know if the Classics heads will fit though
     
  3. Ruination04

    Ruination04 8 Years Old Since 1984!

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    I agree. Those two were a big let down. I'd rather have the headless G1 figures.....

    Off the top of my head, seems like they are physically a little bigger than Towline, but I don't own any of them anymore....
     
  4. Sage o' G-fruit

    Sage o' G-fruit Critics gonna critique

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    I like the classics versions.

    If you're willing to shell out the cash, the BotCon ones are probably still floating around.
     
  5. whiskeytango

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    wheres all this hate coming from. I love that mold.
     
  6. Demonss

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    It's coming from:
    1) The cars are too skinny.. For an SUV or a Van it shouldn't be that skinny. I understand why they did it.. Looks great when they are in bot form.. But suck in alt mode.

    2) It's like transforming a rubics cube. Now I have to admit the transformation isn't that big of a deal, in fact the way all the stuff flips out and spins and such is pretty neat. The big problem with this rubics cube transformation is that it leaves his alt mode a bit "broken". Just like a rubics cube shows all the lines between each square, the alt mode displays millions on millions of lines and doesn't generally lend itself to really making a sleek looking vehicle (like so many of the other classics).

    3) The transformations last quality that stinks is that there are certain points when you're flipping out the legs or whatever that ratchet/ironhide just LOOOOVE to pop in half. It's irritating, and especially so when you're trying to change them back to their alt mode, and things aren't fitting together quite right. Then you spend a while investigating only to find out that somewhere, somehow he got ripped in half..

    Not to mention neither of them are vans. :) 
     
  7. Satomiblood

    Satomiblood Prototype Black

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    I've yet to transform my Ratchet and Ironhide. I'm scared to.
     
  8. hXcpunk23

    hXcpunk23 The Chaos Bringer

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    Friendly debate:

    1) Most Transformers aren't in true scale to what their real-life counterparts should be. Take for instance, Universe Galvatron, Universe Octane/Tankor, & Classics/Universe Starscream (or all Seekers). Certain figures they develop at a certain size to keep costs lower. Most average buyers (ie. not necessarily fans or collectors like most of us) will pocket out for a deluxe, but not the voyager or ultra sizes due to the price points.

    2) I know what you mean about the puzzle look of the alt mode. It's kinda BLAH, but as you said, the bot mode looks awesome and as with every Transformers toy, you'll see lines and gaps here and there because they need them in order to transform. I love the look of sleek cars also, but if that car turns into a robot, there have to be some sort of seams in there. Every TF toy has it (just some not this extreme). The only upside is that it gives it a unique transformation and it doesn't seem to copy many others (some TF toys are different bots and cars, yet they have similar transformations--this at least gives it something different). If you paint those windows black(something Hasbro shoulda done better--that bright blue just doesn't work), you'll see that the puzzle blends together a bit better.

    3) Never had an issue with transforming my two Ironhide figures or my Ratchet figure. If you're careful and follow instructions, it should be a walk in the park. Now if we were complaining about something that REALLY stinks with these two (and I love both molds AND the Towline mold), it's the way the heads look down into the chest some and the fact that they're short/stubby. Those issues can be addressed and fixed without much modding (or you can go full mod and make them better). I chose to make mine taller by doing Viagra Prime's leg mod coupled with keep the rear wheels flipped down in bot mode while folding the bumper up a bit to sit on the crotch piece. Now they're as tall as most of the deluxe cars in bot mode and they look up more.

    As for the vans comment--I wish they were, man. I'm a huge G1 fan and while I would have loved to see new Vans for Ironhide and Ratchet instead of SUV's, I also understand that the entire mantra of Classics/Universe is "modern updates to G1". So they actually fit nicely in that they're updated versions of what they were (maybe not perfect, but they still work). Besides, who would want one of the modern styled vans as Ironhide or Ratchet--I may be alone in this, but most soccer-mom styled vans are what you see on the roads (it STILL wouldn't be Ironhide or Ratchet like we knew them). For updated looks, these work. And in the end, Transformers are just toys. Most always wanted Ironhide and Ratchet to be re-done, they were, and now most don't like them. I personally love 'em, but I do dislike the small things that could have been done to "fix" this mold (head/neck issues, height, etc.). As for Energon Towline, I like that mold also. I even worked on an Ironhide and Ratchet from that mold before they announced the Universe versions. That mold is as close to updating the original G1 figure as you can get with articulation and a head. I did see downsides to it though--it almost has no waist, the heads didn't look anything like Ironhide or Ratchet (they would need headswaps), and the van didn't look all that great (it looked more like a tv news van, with some futuristic stylings). All in all, I'll take Universe Ironhide and Ratchet over Towline any day. Much more interesting and you don't have a tag along base or back end that disappears in bot mode.
     
  9. Demonss

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    I'm game! :) 

    While this is true, they do usually do a good job representing the overall proportions of the vehicle they are trying to represent.. For instance, Classics Optimus Prime does a great job making a rather convincing (albeit small compared to the nissan Z's ) tractor trailer. It would only have taken just an extra centimeter or two, to bring the overall width of ironhide/ratchet into a respectable scale.

    I just may have to paint those windows black! :)  I've certainly don't mind the interesting transformation, nor do I mind that it's not a perfect representation of whatever vehicle they are trying to be (you can build models for that). It's just something that somehow I wish I could disguise just a tad more, like the other universe or some of the old throw back G1. But yes. It's a stunning bot mode (for the most part) so we do have to give up some things to get a good bot mode.. Something that the original ratchet and ironhide didn't do! :) 


    Do you have a link to this? I'd love to take a look at that.
    I guess my ratchet (Ironhide doesn't seem to have the same problem) has a week torso.. It just pops in half ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the time.


    True that! I'm not upset that they aren't vans, it was more of an aside. Really there's no vans that exist anymore that I'd feel would accurately represent them anyway. So SUV's it is. :) 

    I appreciate the input! Since I don't own a towline I can't really comment back. Perhaps when I can finally pick one up we can discuss it more! :)  The van did look a bit funky (news vanish) however it did seem to make a fairly viable ratchet (ambulances can be funky vans) imo. I'll have to find one someday.
     
  10. REDLINE

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    I don't think the SUVs are too skinny at all. I can only think that you're fooled by the small size of the toys.
     
  11. whiskeytango

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    Agreed.

    Also, I understand your point that the Alt mode is pretty crazy looking with all the seams. However, I am a huge supported of Bot-mode awesomeness over alt-mode awesomeness. I know they dont have to be mutually exclusive, but still. Look at masterpiece Optimus Prime. His alt mode isn't what I would call "accurate", but his bot mode is so damn cool that it makes up for it.

    The only things I don't like about the classics ironhide mold is the ridiculous blue paint, and his head always looking down.
     
  12. Demonss

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    Eh to each their own then I suppose.

    I pulled mine out of the closet real quick, and taking a look I think you're right about the SUV not being too skinny.

    I am definitely not fooled by the small size of the toys.. It's the extremely small size of the dinky back bumper that really messes up the flow..

    That's the problem
     
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    I can see that. The problem is that is isn't really "small" so much as it's the wrong style. those bumpers were used in the '80s and early '90s but quickly went away and were replaced by covered "integrated" looking bumpers, which the covers are tall. I'm guessing they went this route due to it folding in, and also so that it wouldn't look like any actual real vehicle for licensing reasons.
     
  14. Demonss

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    Yeah possibly. I just feel from behind there's gap where the bumper ends and the wheel well sticks out. I think that's really where my issue lies with it.
    If the bumper stuck out just a tad more by the wheel wells i'd be content.
     

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