Chicago under siege and military response

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  1. FeelingLuckyPnk

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    First of all, I do not want to turn this into a discussion of how Bay sucks, how writers suck, or anything similar.

    Just last night I watched Battle of Los Angeles.Military reaction was pretty quick and they tried to hit aliens as hard as possible.

    In DOTM, when Decepticons take over Chicago and seal off the city, you don't really see much military presence. They sent few drones and at one point there are 2-3 jet fighters that try to get through, but are shot down.

    This made me think, if this were a real life event, wouldn't military be all over that place? I'm talking tanks,thousands of troops, AC-130's, stealth bobmers, etc, etc. Given the seriousness of the situation (i.e. Cybertron being teleported, Earth destroyed, humans enslaved), I think it's quite possible that the government would just consider nuking the whole place, killing everything and everybody in the city, but eventually saving the planet.

    I know the way it's done in the movie is so the story can go on, but what do you guys think realistically speaking? I doubt the US government (and rest of the world) would just sit there and watch behind screens.
     
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    Maybe someone high up figured that the Autobots would magically reappear and save the day. Which they did.
     
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    Well, yeah, that's what the story relies on.

    But I'm talking in "real life" if something like that happened...
     
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    I agree that more troops is necessary. If Epps and his team can arrive on some fancy cars untouched into chicago, than so can the freakin military! It seemed as if they were more scared to do something even though they were only sending in air support.

    ...On the other hand, it's revealed that the navy seals made it in. This further proves that there could have been a bigger fight before sam and Epps arrives, and it turns out we're loosing.
     
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    Remember how badly the military got torn up in ROTF? Maybe they didn't want the same result or the Autobots "death" was a government conspiracy.
     
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    I agree to you know how the U.S military is anywhere where there is something going they respond to it quickly. So I don't understand why they didn't respond to it, all they did was sent air troops but no tanks, apc's, helicopters, etc... So I'm guessing they had given up and the only thing to do now was Nuke the place.
     
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    In ROTF the military only sent a couple of troops not the whole army.
     
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    I thought they did pretty good against 'Cons, given the circumstances, until Fallen used his telekinesis.

    But I think in the case of Chicago (again, pretending this happens in "real life"), military would have ripped them a new one way before they would have a chance to teleport Cybertron into Earth's orbit. I think they have proven that even Sentinel is not resistant to military weapons, not even counting how badly they get got messed up by a few Tomahawk missles.
     
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    I see where you are coming from OP, maybe from a filming standpoint Bay couldn't get permission to get A1 in downtown Chicago. :lol 

    From a movie standpoint I would guess that the 'Cons targeted military vehicles.

    We did see a unit of Army (or Marines?) meet up with Epps and Lennox just before they attacked Shockwave and his goons. That's also when we saw the Strikers. Maybe that small unit slipped through their defenses?
     
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    Yeah, I understand for the movie they wouldn't be able to use or show everything.

    Just speculating in a real life scenario...made me wonder how long before they would push the "shinny red button" if they realized armed forces can't do anything to stop the destruction of Earth.
     
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    The military probably would have been hit hard. In the first movie, Blackout took out the base by himself. The normal military may not have been equipped to take them out. NEST had the magic bullets and training to deal with Decepticons. A small unit could slip through but they would need the equipment and I'm sure the Decepticons would tear them up. Look how efficient Laserbeak was.
     
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    FeelingLuckyPnk(Which....by the way....cool username name.:) ),you do have a point. I mean,if this was in real life they would send ALMOST EVERYONE.

    But instead all we got was "Ummm......Letz just send some funny drone thingys to see whatz goin' on. lolz."
     
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    Did you miss the part where the Decepticons shot down any aircraft entering the area? If they couldn't get a plane into and out of Chicago, they would never know what the situation there even was.
     
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    Thank you :) 

    I think it would be fair to assume that US would respond first, then others would join in (Russia, EU, etc). Decepticons are pretty powerful, but not completely resistant to heavy artilery.

    No I didn't miss that part. But as you can see from the movie they were just sending unmaned drones and couple of jet fighters. With a situation like this, you'd have whole Air Force over Chicago.
     
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    And a lot of airplane wreckage on the ground at the city limits.
     
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    True, but there would be decepticon casualties as well. Other than Megatron and Starscream, I didn't see any other decepticon able to fly higher than a stealth bomber, for example.

    The point is, if something like that were to happen, you'd have a whole lot more ground and air forces converging on the city, rather than a small number of soldiers just because the government is "scared".
     
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    Another thing I never understood was that Lennox said sentinel should NOT being attacked after his betray! They had the chance to stop all in a few minutes and they let sentinel do his job...so weird....and btw: hundreds of cons are much more bad ass than the hole military....
     
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    Reason he says not to engage is because they didn't have enough firepower at that moment to attack him. Attacking him with only few soldiers would just anger him more and he would slaughter everyone who was there. As you can see in the movie, he wasn't particularly interested in killing humans at that moment.
     
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    Analyzing the factors:

    - It was a crowded city, which means they wouldn't be able to just bomb everything and call it a day, nor would they be able to use nukes. They'd have to attack in the old-fashioned way.

    - The Decepticons [Read: Soundwave] blacked out all satellite activity in the area [Lennox explicetly said so], which means the military are completely blind regarding the position the 'Cons are taking. That screws up with your strategy in ways you can't even think of: You have NO IDEA where your enemy is.

    - In addition to the previous point, they are fighting an army of giant robots with superior tech, they can't charge blindly or they're going to get killed. very quickly.

    - The Decepticons were able to take down everything [see Lennox' escort: Approximatedly ten oysters came, all the ten were shot down within thirty seconds, approximatedly eight or ten men survived].

    - The Decepticons are much worse than the aliens in Battle L.A: Their ships are ridicuously agile, can only be taken down by tomahawks, and can wipe out a entire human squad with one shot [notice how one shot of their drones can turn ten people into dust?], as for the Decepticons themselves, their guns can turn any human in dust with one shot, they are pretty much immune to bullets [except in well-aimed shots in the eyes], they can literally can be literally any car in the field.

    To sum it up..

    What the 'Cons have: Superior technology, any-caliber-bullet-proof bodies, soldiers who can take a tank mano-a-mano, the element of surprise [see "satelites blacked out"], hostages, weaponry that can destroy everything we have with few shots.

    What the military DON'T have: Nukes, air-strikes, any type of knowledge about their strategies, little knowledge about their tech, their usual back-up [Autobots].

    From what I see, the military were still trying to get up on their feet before striking, they don't wish to waste their men in a blind charge, so they were trying to get some eyes in the city [see the scene where they send mini-drones] and find out an alternative way to enter Chicago ["Birdmen" and the SEALs].

    There you go, WALL-OF-TEXT GOODNESS.
     
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    Good points, except for the part in bold. They were not bullet proof to everything, as you can see in the first two movies.

    While I agree with you that military had no idea what was going on in the city and didn't want to send troops just storming in and getting slaughtered, the point of this thread is not to try and reason why and how things happened in the movie. The point is to just purely speculate how military would react if something like that was to happen like tomorrow.

    Of course, nuke would be the last resort, but there are many other weapons that can kill Cybertronians (as seen in ROTF when Ironhide almost gets blown up by bombs).
     

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