Caste system = reason for the war ??

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  1. MenasorMaster

    MenasorMaster Stunticon Warrior

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    I dont get it, so there was a caste system on cybertron. The most members of the lowest casts are decepticons while the higher cast members are autobots. Megatron startet to rebell because he wanted that every cybertronian has the same rights. Other minded transformers followed him even some memebrs of higher caste. They called themselves decepticons. And those who wanted the caste system are autobots. Doesnt this make the autobots evil and decepticons good because they wanted freedom for all cybertronians ??
     
  2. Thepower911

    Thepower911 Decepticon

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    ....and thats why I like the Decepticons.
     
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    Not the Autobots. Per the book, Prime wanted to get rid of the caste system too, because there was no freedom of choice. It was their predecessors that established that caste system.
     
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    Err, where did you get that rubbish from?

    Megatron started the war because Cybertronian society had become stagnant and lost its 'former glory'.
     
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    I've been reading Exodus, and it seems during the time of the caste system there were no Autobots or Decepticons. Neither side wants the caste system. Originally Prime and Megatron formed a friendship over the common ideal of freedom and abolition for the caste system, and together started a movement to end it. They split when Orion Pax was named the new Prime, and Megs began leading the Decepticons in trying to conquer the planet by force, while Prime led the defense. Either way, the war effectively ended the caste system, as in either outcome it would be eliminated.
     
  6. Sage o' G-fruit

    Sage o' G-fruit Critics gonna critique

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    Megatron wanted to rule the universe. Or, at least that's what I got from the game.

    You're mistaking WFC for Animated, apparently.
     
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    guess it depends what continuity
     
  8. Cryptwire

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    well it's no that far-fetched.

    here on earth, with us humans, wars have been started, if not because for resources or for bringing "glory" or "pride" to their group, it is started because of the desire to change a system. i can think of some awful wars where thats the case (russia's bolshevik revolution, the french revolution, of course, the US Civil War).

    but actually, as mentioned by others, prime also wanted an end to the caste system but where he vastly differ with megatron is the way to achieve it. to megatron, words, political discourse, and compromise are out the window and to top it off, he believes that cybertron's glory is lost and he has this messiah complex that its up to him to save cybertron and "reclaim" its lost glory now that Zeta Prime has for all intents and purposes become a lame duck leader, overseeing a stagnating Cybertron which was the civilization that brought about the space bridges that used to be hubs with other worlds and civilizations they discovered and explored (to me at least, has parallels with what the US is going through these days, the country which was the premiere spacefaring nation on earth that first had men land on the moon, and then after that, nothing anymore, only space shuttle missions which had since been retired and robotic missions to mars...). kind of like the tea party people when they shout to the top of their lungs that the system is broken and its time to "take back America" or "reclaim its glory". to megatron, its only his way or the highway, and in his mind, the only way to tip over a highly established and entrenched caste sytem is through violence and force. and it doesnt help matters either that he has a titanic ego, an absolute control freak megalomaniac, and is easily angered.

    and, in this story, autobots are not higher castes or decepticons lower caste. the caste system i think is the author's brilliant take on G1 lore where some Cybertronians were born/built for commercial purposes and some were born/built as military hardware, but making the story much more sophisticated than just commercial robots = good, military robots = bad. they have a caste system so depending on their abilities, characteristics, and attributes when they were born, the caste system would dictate what their lot in life is, at the expense of those who happen to be born with sets immediately assigning them to the lower castes, with no hopes of determining one's own life and pretty much no mobility in society, so theyre stuck where they were if they were unnlucky enough to belong in the lower castes. it would be like if slavery and jim crow laws still exist in the US today, which is unimaginable.
     
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    I was insulted when he back-talked soundwave after he suggested to use dark energon on Omega Supreme "Be silent or FACE MAH WRATH!"
     
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    According to Exodus, Both Optimus Prime and Megatron wished to abolish the caste system. Where they differed was that where Prime wanted to peacefully reform the system where all could be free, Megatron wanted to violently overthrow it and establish a new system with his vision.
     
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    I would just like to note that Zeta Prime is a dick. That's reason enough for war IMO.
     
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    Essentially. Although at first, Megatron claimed to not be involved in the violent attacks around the planet that were claimed to be in his name. He also didn't condemn the acts either. He did not want the loss of life, but justified it as a means to get the attention of the High Council about his and his followers' belief of a Cybertron where it's inhabitants are not bound by the caste system and can do whatever they want.

    Of course, his attitude became more malevolent as time wore on and he became increasingly impatient and frustrated. Then things all went to hell following the meeting with the High Council and being betrayed by Orion/Optimus (in his opinion anyway).
     
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    No he is correct, he is refering to the Exodus books, which is another interpretation of WFC . Megatron wants to banish the Caste system and so does Megatron, the difference on how to do so is where they differ. Essentially it is like two political parties of the same countries; the word "freedom" is open to interpretation.

    Sadly the book kind of goes downhill after the council meeting, still a decent read but the quality after the first half is like night and day

    Yes, yes he is:) 
     
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    Cybertronians had the castes system under Sentinel Zeta Prime, who was never appointed prime by the matrix, only the council.

    Autobots were against it in a benign way, wanting to use politics and reason to change the system so all were free to choose their own path for themselves.

    Decepticons were against it, but used violence to change it, to the point megatron eventually became the very thing he claimed to loathe. Simply crushing beneath his heal any who disagreed with what he thought was best for cybertron. He wanted to enslave the upper castes and make the lower castes live in the upper caste dwellings. Megatron wanted to be the one to tell you what you had to do, and not the council when it boiled down to it. He was worse than the caste system itself. Eventually megatron wanted to extend his reach to the stars above, to others he could enslave under his might makes right ways.

    Mind you this is all just from the book.

    The game itself is a different matter entirely.
     

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