Caprica

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  1. Pravus Prime

    Pravus Prime Sorcerer

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    I'm surprised there isn't a thread on this, as I just got finished watching the pilot.

    I won't go into too much spoilers, but I didn't care for it. The plot was all over the place and felt a lot more like an Outer Limits or Twighlight Zone episode guest starring a Cylon then anything else. Nor did I care for the uber-importance of Joeseph Adama in the grand scheme of things, making the Adama family essentially the most influential family in the universe to which the fate of the entire human race lives or dies by their actions. I think the series greatest failure is that after watching the pilot, I both don't care if I ever see another episode nor do I like a single character. While I complained up the wazoo about some of the "stupid" and deeply flawed characters and questionable ending of BSG, I at least liked the characters, and had fun watching the pilot all those years ago.

    In addition, the technology was IMHO so advanced that it seemed like it was a decade or more ahead of BSG's latest tech, despite having taken place 50 some years prior. The virtual reality and avatars, the computer paper, sensor units, and robot butlers all seemed excessively advanced. Granted, some of it was in the hands of one of a Tony Stark kind of character, but still, 50 years later, you'd expect to have seen some of that technology to have filtered down, especially on a military ship, doubly so for the computer paper and the security systems.

    Bottom line, I'm disapointed and I have no inclination to watch it as a series unless I'm really bored. I had heard that they were going to do a series from the POV of the Cylons, hopefully they do, and it's good.

    I'm going to go into a bit spoiler heavy here, so if you don't want to be spoiled, stop now!








    I'm a bit fuzzy on if there is a single Cylon or two. There's obviously the Zoey-Cylon, who failed, awoke in the lab, and called Lacey, but was it a seperate one who performed in the military demonstration or was that Zoey-Cylon as well?

    I also don't recall Bill ever talking about his Tauran roots, I recall the farmer bit, but not the Tauran bit. Nor anything on the sister or mother backstory, so I don't know if there are any contradictions, but you'd think that would bias Bill later in life, especially with talk about a One God.

    I was also a bit surprised by the amount of, well, not porn, but "adult" situations in the pilot. BSG isn't kid friendly, but it seemed like they did it just to do it with all the themed virtual rooms. I'm not saying it's necessarily good or bad, I'm just surprised to see it at all.

    There's also some issues of mechanical proliferation that seems odd. The Graystones seem to have technology all over the place, with the robot butlers, the sensors on the tennis courts, computer paper, etc. However, I didn't really see any technology outside of their home and work. To be honest, I was partly expecting to see a world kind of like Detroit in TFA is, with machines doing all sorts of labor, as severely limited intelligence machines.

    While Ann Veal (Arrested Devlopment!) - err, Zoey was an interesting character, again I'm not all that fond of her, or the likely fact that she will be responsible for the Cylon Holy War due to her beliefs; it just doesn't seem "right" with the story of BSG. I don't know, maybe I was expecting the belief in The One True God to come from Earth and the human Cylons after they made contact with the colonies Cylons, or maybe as part of what caused the Cylon revolution to go from servants of man to battling them, but with Zoey's beliefs and being the first Cyclon, it doesn't seem right to me.
     
  2. j.a.f.o.

    j.a.f.o. Just Looking, Not Buying

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    Here's how I sum up my feelings:

    Loved, LOVED BSG.

    Zero, ZERO interest in Caprica.
     
  3. Drake

    Drake Smooth Is Smooth Baby

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    Didn't even know it was out. I'll probably wait till they air it to watch.
     
  4. DaggersRage

    DaggersRage Autistic bastard.

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    Star Vipers or it didnt happen! :) 

    I didn't see the pilot but I saw some trailers 'n stuff and the show didn't seem all that cool to even start.
     
  5. Methos

    Methos ...Hail Megatron

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    Really they could have made better use of the money and time by making a series based on some fanfics,such as Battlestar Prometheus.
    Or the start of the first Cylon war.
     
  6. smkspy

    smkspy is one nice fucking kitty

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    Yeah this series looks horrible from previews. I'll watch it when it premieres, but I am not expecting much esp from Eric Stoltz.
     
  7. pmoverlord-1972

    pmoverlord-1972 the enforcer of all

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    can't wait to see more caprica on tv
     
  8. hellrasinbrasin

    hellrasinbrasin Well-Known Member

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    All right guys lower the pitch forks

    I'll use The Roman Empire Analogy

    [00] Caprica is The Roman Empire before the Fall
    [01] Battlestar Galactica is The Fall of the Roman Empire and what happens after the Fall

    Daniel Greystones project funded by the Ministery of Defense is to create a robotic defense force. As I understand the history of The Twelve Colonies 58 years prior to BSG they were having Civil War off and on.

    The reason why the Technology of 58 years ago compares to 57 years later
    is so advanced on the Colonies is a direct consequence of The Cylon War.

    Daniel Greystone's daughter made a holo recording of everything she did so the Zoe that you see pre tram explosion is the real Zoe the holo Z is a digital file

    The terrorist cell "The Followers of The One" of which Zoe Greystone is a groupie her digital file inserted into the Centurion is what kick starts the whole belief into the One God by the Cylons.
     
  9. kenm2474

    kenm2474 LORD DC TFW2005 Supporter

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    Pravus Prime While you said that the technology look far more advanced than on BSG there was a reason fo that. The Cylons were able to take over the more advanced Tech so the Battlestar was fitted with older Tech to prevent that or not upgraded.
     
  10. snkeyes069

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    As others have said, the highly advanced tech led to the development of Cybernetic Lifeform Nodes (Cylons) and ultimately the Cylon War. During the war, the Cylons turned humanity's tech against the Colonies, so newer systems (like the Battlestar Galactica) were designed to use as little tech as possible.

    By the time the BSG miniseries began, humans had forgotten about the war and started craving tech again. Commander Adama refused to even have networked computers on Galactica (a decision that proved VERY smart) whereas Baltar spent his life's work developing technologies similar to Graystone's.

    Bottom line for me was that I liked Caprica. Although I'm having a little trouble reconciling the Cylon psyche with that of a bitchy 16-year-old girl, it does explain a couple things:

    1) Why do Cylon's believe in one god? Because Zoe was in the cult and adopted the belief.
    2) Why were Cylons experimenting with organics (as shown in Razor)? The Cylon psyche is based on a human pattern, and therefore strives to become human. This means flesh, bone...a heartbeat...
    3) Why do the Cylons hate people? Because Zoe was rebellious, sticking with her friends and despising her creators (parents).

    Now, the writers could do a memory wipe to purge Zoe (like C3PO received at the end of Sith), but I think her core beliefs and motivation will remain (we already know that the stolen tech doesn't lose data during a catastrophic failure, as evidenced by Zoe's last-scene "rebirth.") I imagine that residual data after a memory wipe could form the core of the Cylon psyche, which will ultimately end with the destruction of the colonies.

    I, for one, can't wait to see how it plays out!
     
  11. shockwave2005

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    So, I watched Caprica last night. Twice, just to make sure.

    I'm just not invested in this story. I feel like I know all the stuff I need to know already.

    At least Razor had great performances by the cast, which is what really kept me involved. Here, most of the performances are just really lackluster IMO. It was nice to see "Cancer Man" from the X-Files as the Minister Of Defense - too bad he dies in the pilot. Oh well.

    Maybe the series will get better? I'm not sure if I care.

    I can't wait for "The Plan" - even if it is retcon-y stuff that I already know (like how Razor was), at least it will have Dean Stockwell and the rest of my favorite Cylons.
     
  12. Ravenxl7

    Ravenxl7 W.A.F.F.L.E.O.

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    I've just now finished watching this short-lived series, and figured bumping what appears to be the main thread on it instead of staring a new one.

    I definitely understand why this wasn't well recieved, but I really enjoyed it. Some stuff towards the end was frustrating (like the Bill Adama we came to know not beinf THE Bill Adama), but overall I really enjoyed it. Especially that last bit of the finally of "things to come". Made me really wish there was at least a second season.

    I kinda laughed a bit when I saw the guy at the stadium that the Graystones have to tie up to be able to call in the Cylons. Seems like I'm seeing a lot of him in small roles lately. In addition to this he's ben in Battlestar Galactica, Halo 4 Forward Unto Dawn, Man of Steel, and Godzilla.
     
  13. SouthtownKid

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    Yeah, that's exactly how I felt, too. It dealt with a lot of interesting ideas and I really enjoyed it, but at the same time, it's mystifying to me that it even got made. I can't imagine what audience they thought they were aiming it at, and everything about it had "ratings disaster" written all over it.

    I really wish it had gotten a second season, too.
     

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