Can we talk about Nemesis Prime?

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  1. shamanking282

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    In Japan, most “Nemesis Prime” characters are called “Black Convoy”.

    What’s that Car Robots guy called again?

    Right
     
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    What Japan calls the characters Doesn’t Have much influence with what hasbro does
     
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    A character originating in Japan that influences a bunch of copy cats is notable in a conversation about those copycats.
     
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    Sure notable for a conversation purposes here but there’s no way one can argue the name of one has influence on the naming of the other

    There’s just too many different circumstances that come into play
     
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    I assume that RID Scourge (CR Black Convoy) and RID Mega-Octane (CR Dolrailer) had their names changed at some point in pre-production. I mean, Scourge/Black Convoy is Laser Optimus Prime's design (which was also called "Octane Optimus Prime" sometimes) infused with Megatron's spark. "Mega-Octane" is definitely a more appropriate name for him than the much more generic "Scourge."
     
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    Yeah, Scourge got characterization.
     
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    I would enjoy a complete season about Nemesis Prime. It would be awesome as it would talk about many other characters we met in other season.
     
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    The strange thing about the Scourge/Black Convoy vs Nemesis Prime divide is that they're so obviously the same character... and yet we're told they're not.

    Scourge/Black Convoy and Nemesis Prime are both always recolors of Optimus Prime. They use exactly the same colors (black, teal, grays, and red highlights). They're so similar that it's rather preposterous to make them different characters.

    And yet, for some reason, they're different characters. That's just silly.
     
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    I'd like to see them do a Goku Black style origin for Nemesis. An evil entity from another universe that switched bodies with Prime and used the Matrix for evil.
     
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    Which one is that? Got a link? Sounds interesting.
     
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    I'd rather avoid this character, I believe in Megatron being Optimus's nemesis being enough.

    And there are so many iterations of Nemesis Prime that it's really hard for me to choose which one is the best:

    - G1 Ultra Magnus, who was meant to succeed Optimus
    - RID2001 Ultra Magnus, a blue Optimus and rival
    - RID2001 Scourge, a black clone of Optimus
    - ARMADA Nemesis Prime, a being of darkness cloned from Optimus
    - TFA Toxitron was a Bizarro version of Optimus
    - TFP Nemesis Prime, a artificial clone of Optimus
    - Movie Megatron in the last three films was a truck (first a Transformr, than a KSI drone) and later a Knight
    - Sentinel Prime could be a candidate for the role of Nemesis Prime
    - Movie Optimus was corrupted for a time.
    ... and others I don't know about.

    I think Scourge and Toxitron fit the best at this point.

    But I'd like to see a Wario-style version of Optimus, as in a crazed and selfish and anti-heroic character (but not villainous, similar to Wario and Mario currently).
     
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    Okay, let's see what you...

    So your list of Nemesis Primes includes, Ultra Magnus, Megatron, and Sentinel Prime? Why not throw in Motormaster?

    What about Huffer? He's a semi, too. Good grief...
     
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    Great idea !
     
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    Motormaster actually can count as a Nemesis Prime candidate.

    If you look how many redecos of Optimus Prime and of other characters we have had in TF history, you can see how easy it is to design a Nemesis Prime.
     
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    You totally missed the point. Just because a character is a repaint of an Optimus mold, or shares his alt mode, doesn't make him a Nemesis Prime.
     
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    No, it needs more than that. It needs a rivalry/opposition with Optimus.

    Granted, G1 Ultra Magnus and Movie Optimus (as mentioned above) can not really count in that context, as one was a successor and the other was a temporarily corrupted version. But all the others count for sure.
     
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    I like the idea of Nova Prime being Nemesis Prime (starting the war, being overthrown by Megs, because he started the war he was named by the Autobots as Nemesis Prime)

    Nova has a similar shape and body to Optimus in some continuities so it makes sense to me.
     
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    No, Nemesis Prime is his own character. You're stuck on the Nemesis part as nemesis. We're not looking specifically for rivalry, in fact some of the Nemesis Primes that have entered fiction WEREN'T Prime's rival at all, just an evil black clone/reproduction of Optimus. So yeah, only a bit of your list counts as Nemesis Prime. Scourge arguably does because he is Nemesis Prime in everything but name.
     
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    Yups.

    He also had human DNA from the Unlucky fool. (she was never named in RiD)
    So another name could be "Nemesis Unlucky Fool" !! :D 
    ...ok too far, sorry.
     

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