By George, I've got it! SPOILERS

Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by Wheeljack94, Jul 1, 2011.

  1. griffon2k

    griffon2k Active Member

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    It could be argued that it searches for both. The Matrix is needed for the Harvester to even work. They aren't independent of each other.
     
  2. protonpackin

    protonpackin Well-Known Member

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    well ok so it went to where the harvester was, but the fallen knew where the harvester was so he would have needed the allspark to find the matrix
     
  3. Nightmare966

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    What? No. The AllSpark ONLY goes to where the Harvester is, that's something established in one of the comics (don't remember which one), and the Matrix was supposed to be always with a Prime -- it ended on the Tomb, though. The fact that the Matris was on Earth was a simple "coincidence" (or Destiny, call it as you wish).
     
  4. MikeDiaz

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    I was actually thinking about this last night, how Megatron seemed to be a double-agent working with both the Fallen and Sentinel...

    But you've just figured it out!

    Well done, good sir! Well done, indeed!
     
  5. DJPrime39

    DJPrime39 mUnKY

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    Make alot of sense, ps imagine him talking as fast as blurr
     
  6. Eric

    Eric VOTE.

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    That...actually makes a lot of sense. Good theory!
     
  7. SPLIT LIP

    SPLIT LIP Be strong enough to be gentle

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    That fits together... eerily well. Like scenes in the movies actually seem to coincide with this.

    As for wether the Allspark tracks the Matrix or Harvester, the Matrix and the Harvester kinda both need to be close togteher anyway, so it doesn't really matter since they'd both be in the same spot or close to.
     
  8. einis

    einis Want some candy?

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    Dude...You're amazing for doing this.This makes a lot of sense!
     
  9. ChldsPlay

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    So, they selected Earth for the human resources, while there is no need for the Matrix, and they have the all-spark...obviously meaning Earth was important.

    Megatron realizes that Sentinel needs revived by the Matrix how? He arrives to Earth (and is subsequently frozen - which also begs the question, why did Megatron not go into stasis, or "some sort of sleep mode" as well?) way before Sentinel reached the moon. Hard to plan something if you're not around.

    If Megatron/Fallen uses the sun harvester, not only is the human resource (the entire point of going to Earth in the first place) is wiped out, but so is Sentinel Prime, and the entire Decepticon army that is sitting up on the moon. Then who is going to kill the Fallen? And who is going to rebuild Cybertron? Please don't say they have the all-spark, because they had that before.

    Why does Megatron even start the war if his entire plan is to mastermind a truce to ultimately rebuild Cybertron? If it's simply to overpower Sentinel...then do just that.

    Why get all those pillars and leave Sentinel in the Ark if it is your plan to use the allspark or matrix to revive him? Certainly in 1963 you didn't know Optimus would end up with the Matrix and that you'd need him to discover and revive sentinel.

    I really liked DOTM, and like ROTF (don't care much for the first movie), but they have done a terrible job at interconnecting the stories and developing them logically.
     
  10. Nightmare966

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    Maybe the original plan was as simple to use the Harvester, recharge the cube and let the cube heal Cybertron? Then the Human Resource could be a last addition.
     
  11. griffon2k

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    The Matrix being on Earth wasn't a coincidence at all, it was the control for the Harvester, used by the Primes. That was pretty clearly established in RotF.
     
  12. netkid

    netkid Where's my Goddamn shoe!

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    Like The Godfather trilogy, they just need to cut up the 3 films and edit them in sequence of events for it all to make sense.
     
  13. ThisGuy

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    This makes so much sense my head just exploded.
     
  14. ChldsPlay

    ChldsPlay Well-Known Member

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    Gaping holes aplenty.
     
  15. changepas39

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    That makes perfect sense!!!
     
  16. megatron66

    megatron66 OD'd on candy

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    ...And by Jove! You did get it!!!
     
  17. Wheeljack94

    Wheeljack94 Autobot Lycan

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    you ask a lot of questions.
    -first off, megatron landed in the artic, it is not said what date or time period. could have been any time after the dinosaurs. (thats a lot of time)
    -2nd, the reason for leaving sentinal in stasis, was to fool the fallen into thinking there was no threat.
    -3rd, megatron had no intention of starting a war. it was the fallen who wanted a war against the autobots, since thats the side the primes(who he hates) are on.
    -4th, he needed sentinal to control the pillars to transport our recources to their planet. why our planet? because its the planet the fallen chose. the planet that had the sun he wanted with the specices that he hated and caused his betrayal.
    -5th, the sun harvester doesnt make the sun explode it absorbes it. like sucking/letting the air out of a baloon. but wile they absorb the suns energy(ofcourse it would take a while, that is a lot of energy and a big star. not the biggest but it dwarfs jupiter) they trasport our materials. oil, metals, gas, ect all things that dont need a sun to work. mind you their solar system does have a sun though.

    hopefully i answered all of your questions, and if not, make your on damn theory. theories are not always completely right, but are not always wrong either. you can post it on this thread if you want.

    i am going off of the movies, not the comics. in the comics, elita-one died, then she showed up in ROTF. not a reliable source of info to me.

    nice sig. ;)  :lol 
     
  18. Crazy Ramjetty

    Crazy Ramjetty marvel's got it good

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    huh
     
  19. ChldsPlay

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    a lot of that directly contradicts what is said in the movies. Comics, books, etc. Are irrelevant.
     
  20. Force 21

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    And to think, at the center of this master plan of evil from another galaxy was a middle-aged mother running around a college campus high on weed brownies.