Yeah, historically, if a cat stands it's ground the dog usually ends up the loser, strangely enough. I guess it's the issue of having to stick your face into range of an angry cat... most dogs are smart enough to give up. But if a cat loses its nerve and turns tail to run, it's all over. Predators rarely fight each other, because in the harshness of nature, any injury can be really unforgiving. It's probably not worth the risk of getting hurt fighting something that stands up for itself (exceptions being when 2 animals of the same type fight for mating rights). But we digress... Movie Bumblebee = giant robot dog. That's the fullest extent of his personality. Of course, what did you expect... deep characterization? It's Michael Bay! zmog
both are good looks for him, but the small VW still wins my heart. every time I see a VW bug out on the street I think of BB. Camaro was simply an update, a good one too. They had to do it 'cause bugs are outdated, plus VW won't let them base any TFs on their vehicles.
Well I don´t disagree with that. It´s not like I watch a Bay movie for character development anyways.
It's my belief that, since Bumblebee, as a character, has evolved. With different portrayals of his personality, then his alternate mode should follow suit, and also evolve.
How about a MINI Performance Coupe: MINI to Unveil Performance Coupe - MSN Autos It's compacted, and sporty.
Increasingly, I'm realizing that the best practice is just not to watch Michael Bay movies at all. I mean seriously... the last one of his films I really enjoyed was The Rock, and leaving aside any of my nerdy fanboy complains, I think the Transformers films fairly qualify as crimes against cinema. See this is my problem... I don't really see an evolution there. That implies personal growth, character growth, improvement, etc... Bay Bee has none of that. He has almost zero personality... even his radio sound clips are generally pretty poorly chosen. And he's not just mute... he's semi-******ed. I'd take G1 Bee as a character over him any day. And is a muscle car really an evolution over a compact? Especially for a spy/scout? If anything that's a step backwards, to a more primitive, gas-guzzling, loud, ostentatious incarnation... like going from a dolphin to a dinosaur. zmog
He doesn't? Did you not see the second film? The way he faked crying just to go with Sam to college, throwing goo at the Alice girl because he thought Sam was cheating on Mikaela with her and other scenes all show that he's extremely dedicated to his human friend, and even with a childish persona, when you mess with Sam Bumblebee goes freaking nuts as we saw at the Rampage fight. Funny that you use the comparation about the large dog. I was about to use it myself but not as a BAD thing. Just like a dog he's loyal and caring for his family but WILL attack as soon as he feels that his group is in danger. Because he's in a Bay film it's not much but I already like it a billion times better than any past Bumblebee (SPECIALLY the Animated one, fuck that kid) And TF Prime Bee seems to be going in this direction too, but because it's a TV show and not a Bay BOOM BOOM POW brainless movie I'm betting that the Movie Bee -ish persona will be developed much better in that and absolutely can't wait for my favorite version of the character to get to shine in actual quality material, he already fixed the two things that I didn't like about movie Bee in first place so that's a good start! (Movie Bee's maskless pug face and his scrawny legs always bothered me and even more in toys)
Not really. They´re cheap entertainment. Something that appeals to the inner caveman of movie goers. And that´s the reason of their success. I find them highly entertainment and I´m a university student majoring in International Relations, hardly a "jock". I like Transformers, I like over the top action, I like military hardware. So what reason should I have to not watch the TF movies?
If Bumblebee can't be a VW bug anymore, a Mini Cooper would work or even the Chevy Trax or Beat. I don't mind that Cliffjumper was a muscle car in Transformers Prime because I think it fit his personality more.
You're describing actions, but not personality. "Fake crying", goo-spraying and badass action scenes? That's really your criteria? Bad sight gags and a fight scene? I think I rest my case. Oh, it's an apt description alright, and there's nothing WRONG with being a dog. But it doesn't make him a very well-developed character... it makes him a sidekick and a plot device. There's a reason why, in movies about animals, we normally give them the ability to speak. It's because otherwise, it's very difficult to convey a strong human personality that we can relate to. In the Bay movies, Bumblebee is like this so he won't compete too much with the human cast. He's just there for physical humour and the action scenes. Sic 'em!! Well, I guess we can just say it's a question of taste, and leave it at that. I've actually never had any particular fondness for G1 Bumblebee... not as a kid, and not now. But I do think that his personality is still makes a valuable contribution to the mix, and is more worthwhile than the relatively mindless Bay Bee. And yeah... unfortunately Animated Bumblebee suffers from an excess of "personality", which can also be a problem. Those are two pretty superficial concerns... but I agree with both of them. TF Prime Hotsho-- I mean, Bumblebee... will probably get to develop a bit more identity on that TV show... I mean it would be hard not to, considering the increase in screen-time. And he can't be worse than his Bayformers incarnation, can he? Uh, because they're terrible. They are simply badly made... badly written, inconsistently shot, horribly edited. The shootout in Mission City in the first film has to be one of the most incoherent, nonsensical gunfight sequences I've seen in a major studio picture in a long time. Basic cause-and-effect and shot-to-shot continuity is practically non-existent. It's really a bit shocking... and since the story isn't much to fall back on, it's difficult to forgive a big-budget action movie that can't even manage it's action very well. If it weren't for Megan Fox's porny appeal and the spectacular novelty of the ILM effects, that film would have tanked. I mean, film-goers are surprisingly film-illiterate these days... even aggressively so, but most people can still recognize true crap. In Bayformers' case, it's what's hiding just behind the really amazing looking robots and the orange girl's ass shots. But... I give you credit for at least recognizing that they're just mindless flash-bang movies (if not for demanding better from your entertainment), and taking your pleasures somewhat knowingly. I'd feel sad if people looked at Bay's Transformers movies as anything more than absolute junk-food guilty pleasures. I agree... though arguably it would fit Windcharger even better. Of course, Windcharger and Cliffjumper are almost the same person anyway. zmog
Well, I never claimed the movies are that great movies. They keep me entertained for a couple of hours and that´s it.
Heh. I only watched them once each, and I have to admit I got pretty impatient with them. A second time around, my expectations would be moderated, and so I might not feel so offended by the whole thing. But I don't think I'd watch either one again for fun if I had the choice. Not when there are GOOD movies out there to see. zmog
To be fair, kids and younger generations (myself included) are growing up with Bumblebee being a Camaro or a fancy sports car. In some odd number of years, people will be saying that Bumblebee should remain a sports car and there will be outrage if Optimus has no flames on his alt mode. Times are moving forward, older fans will have to move with them. I do fall in with the Camaro group though. I love that car. And I love robots that turn into cars.
What can I say? I like pretty explosions. I have the atention span of a small goldfish. Oh look a penny!