Books LLC and other publishers of printed Wikipedia articles in book form

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  1. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

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    I just noticed these books on Amazon:
    Industrial Furnaces: Blast Furnace, Furnace, Electric ARC Furnace, List of Preserved Historic Blast Furnaces, Chimney, Flue Gas Stack: Amazon.de: LLC Books: Englische Bücher
    Industry Museums: Museum of Work, List of Preserved Historic Blast Furnaces, Rahmi M. Koc Museum, Cite Des Sciences Et de L'Industrie: Amazon.de: LLC Books: Englische Bücher

    The titles and abstracts read like spam posts.

    I did some research and found out the books are simply print-on-demand compilations of thematically related Wikipedia articles. The publisher is offering THOUSANDS of books "created" in this manner.

    There's no editorial oversight, the publisher's German branch "Bucher Gruppe" even includes a generic foreword translated via Babelfish.


    Books LLC is not the only publisher operating in this manner. There's a German publisher named VDM Publishing with multiple imprints that specialize in printed Wikipedia derivates.

    I don't see a reason why anyone should pay money for this ****.

    Even worse, they manage to scam libraries into buying their books.
     
  2. Gen. Magnus

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    There are some depths to which I had hoped that none would sink. This "publisher" is proof, however, that humanity will always find new lows.
     
  3. NGW

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    Well seeing as there's publishers that put out blatantly plagiarized stuff like Eragon or tripe like Twilight...this is no surprise.
     
  4. DecepticonSpike

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    Is that even legal?
     
  5. Omnius

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    I'm tempted to 'alter' a couple of articles and order books on the subject.
     
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    I wonder how many copies would be sold before anyone caught it?
     
  7. Nevermore

    Nevermore It's self-perpetuating a parahumanoidarianised!

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    According to Wikipedia's policies, yes.
     
  8. Aernaroth

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    Make an article about Books LLC on wikipedia, filled with awful hateful lies and make them print it.
     
  9. Fishdirt

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    By virtue of being on Wikipedia the content is public domain. People have been doing this before the internet even went into worldwide use.

    Know why there are umpteen million different "Night of the living dead" videos or where those 3.99 cartoon dvds come from? Public domain. Different companies will sell copies and are perfectly within their rights and all legalities to do so.

    Not to mention, just because you use the internet doesn't mean everyone does or enjoys it. That's why a print option is always nice and since Wiki doesn't do it (supposedly a non profit company) others step up.

    Being mad that someone makes money in a totally legit and legal way makes no sense.
     
  10. toma

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    Yeah, people have been doing this forever. Literally, forever. If it weren't for people like Books LLC in the past, things like Shakespeare would be lost to time forever.
     
  11. Aernaroth

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    There's a big difference between works that now belong to the public domain and flat-out plagarism. This particular case seems to belong to the former, but its still kind of a dick move. Still, caveat emptor, since the information people pay for in the books is publically available online. I suppose it depends on whether or not Books LLC is advertising their material as original, or crediting the author/site.

    And Shakespeare's works were immensely popular, that's why his works and the works of many of his contemporaries are still around. Hell, we have plays from the ancient greeks available to us, and its not because someone decided to make a quick buck off them.
     
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    Wiki is public domain. It's not plagiarism.


    Night of the Living Dead is a more contemporary example then Shakespeare
     
  13. Gen. Magnus

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    Really, public domain = not plagiarism? Tell that to Merriam Webster and countless students.

    According to the above mentioned dictionary publisher, plagiarism is defined thusly:

    "to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
    to use (another's production) without crediting the source
    to commit literary theft
    to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source."

    That definition seems strangely devoid of any exception for public domain works.
     
  14. toma

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    I guarantee you that thousands of people throughout the course of history have used the ancient Greeks and Shakespeare as a way to make a quick buck due to their popularity and the easy accessibility of their works. Wikipedia and people like Books LLC are just a modern example of the same thing. Popular, easily accessible, public domain works being printed and sold as an easy way to make a quick buck. Go to any book store and check out the cheap copies of classic works of literature they have everywhere. It's the same thing. I guarantee you there are plenty of cheap publishers printing that stuff off for no other reason than to make a quick buck.
     
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    That's not why their works have survived though. There weren't cheap publishers before there was print publishing, for example. Saying that cheap publishers printing their works has saved them from obscurity is incorrect.
     
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    Ok...wiki was credited as the source so....your point in this matter?
     
  18. Gen. Magnus

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    Credit given equals not plagiarism. You tried to say that public domain did not equal plagiarism. You were proven wrong. Seeing my point now?
     
  19. toma

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    Ok, cheap scribes then.
     
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    Sure if it wasn't implied in the links I could see that. It was and is in context of this topic though. Of course that would be assuming if the person crying plagiarism read the links.
     

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