Discussion in 'Transformers Movie Discussion' started by SoundWave2007, Sep 22, 2010.
Where have you been?
im just glad he got something from generation 1 right
Y'know, if people stopped treating the live action films as a G1 remake and instead treated them as a completely seperate continuity (LIKE THEY ARE) then I'm sure a lot more people would enjoy them.
Bayverse =/= G1
List of things Bay got right:
-Not making the Transformers look like giant 80s toys.
-Dumping mass shifting and having each robot to scale with their alternate mode.
-Having Cullen voice Prime.
-Having Weaving voice Megatron.
-Having Welker voice Soundwave.
-Having Mark Ryan voice Jetfire, Todd voice Fallen, Foxworth voice Ratchet, Harnell voice Ironhide etc.
-Restricting CG for the robots and actually blowing stuff up.
-Giving each Autobot their own colour.
-Putting Nizzi's Long Haul in the movie.
-Not waiting until the third movie to resurrect Prime.
-Making stars of Barricade and Blackout.
-Inspiring Animated to use the AllSpark, Ratchet and Bumblebee.
-Giving DreamWorks two hugely successful movies.
-Introducing horny teenage boys (and some girls!) to Megan Fox.
-Making the first movie getting at least more than 50% positive reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
Yep. That's the only problem. People that just want to see well-made movies mostly about the robots with more emphasis on coherent story telling than infantile humor and explosions are completely satisfied by these films.
Not to mention that because of Bay's movies Hasbro now has TONS of money for the Transformers franchise.
I didn't mean that all. Don't get me wrong, I think the Bayverse has plenty of problems, especially the ridiculous humour. What I was trying to say is that if those people who were/are still expecting the Bayverse to be totally G1 accurate just accepted that it is a different continuity then they might enjoy it more.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm due to have a nightmare about being directly below Devastator's testicles.
And the list goes on.
I still don't understand why people expected such out of Transformers. Unfunny humour and over-the-top action are practically part of the brand since day-one.
Just because excellence isn't expected of you, it's still not a valid reason for not trying.
Except he did try, but Michael Bay isn't the best director out there.
Just look at ROTF. That movie suffered from having too much plot that it got congested. He tried to make a well thought out story (the sun harvester, Fallen, Matrix, Prime's death, Sam's guilt, etc.) with strong characters for the main robots (like Optimus, Megatron and Bumblebee), AND fit in the needed exposition and the action that makes these movies even worth watching, unfortunately it's not that easy.
And again, giant alien robots that turn into cars and speak english. You can't take this stuff 100% seriously or you just end up the bigger joke. His humour may not be the best, but at least he's trying to add some humour. Nobody should take this stuff THAT seriously.
Excellence isn't expected, but at least give the guy credit. He tried, and did some things right, and some not. His is the first crack at live-action big-time Transformers blockbusters. The only way he can know what works is by experimenting and trying new things. I'd rather brand take steps forward, even if it tripped once, but kept going, than not evolve and remain the same stale elements for the rest of it's life.
And what he got wrong
-Changing well know characteristics of main characters.
-Making Iconic villains totally unrecognizable
-Changing fundamental back-story to suit his need to change things.
-Not recognizing there was a pretty big fanbase waiting for this. Not need to rewrite the whole dang history. I know you can’t make everyone happy.
-Using sex jokes and bad comic acting to fill in the need for content
-US Military completely overused
-Missing be opportunities for epic battles, “Jetfire vs Starscream in alt mode” Devsatator vs US Military. That would have been cool.
-Not fully understanding the whole “Transformers” mythology. eg, seekers, pretenders, and combiners. I don’t think he knows what these really and the concept behind them.
-The Fallen, no need for a new Villain, more time should have been spent on existing undeveloped charters in the story.
-Mud Flap and Skids, they were interesting, but I would have loved to see more of Iron Hide and others. They got more screen time then Bumblebee.
-Robot Heaven? WTF
-Last but not least, not being smart enough to make his changes in a way that could support or ever enhances the original storyline. Eg, Batman Begins, Ironman, Spidey 1.
To me, the of the best human moment in ROTF, was when Sam was screaming at his Dad to leave with Bumblebee in the desert. It finally took a turn in a serious direction. I hope the next installments have more of those moments IF we have to deal with lots of human interaction.
In Movie 1, when Blackout transforms and starts to demolish the whole Military Base I thought Bay was on the right Track. It was exciting to see. The decepticons were very powerful and it worked very well. It was a good movie, even for a G1 fan like me. But ROTF was so bad; it kind of ruined the first one for me. Everything that was BAD if the first movie was tossed into ROTF and amplified. I will see 3, the first night its out. Hopeful Ill get to goto an early screening like I did with 1 and 2.
Hopefully it will be more of movie 1 and less of ROTF.
You do know that this changing kind of stuff has been a staple of transformers ever since RiD, maybe even before, don't you?
Hey, I got a great idea! Let's start a giant thread bitching about what Marty Isenberg and Derrick J. Wyatt changed in TFA! Or what Aaron Archer did to some of the characters in the Unicron Trilogy! Hey, I'm pretty sure we can find something to blame on Forward/DiTillio! Oh wait, we're only supposed to namedrop the guy who did Pearl Harbor and Armageddon?
Geez, this whole thing is just insane.
i dont think eh was i nrobot heaven, i think HE WAS IN THE MATRIX
That's not what this thread is about.
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