Autobots and Decepticons existance

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  1. Wheeljack30

    Wheeljack30 Banned

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    I searched everywhere and can't seem to find, but its been burning me as I would like to know wich Autobots where created and existed before Optimus Prime and which Autobots remained back on Cybertron (besides the female Autobots) and same question about the Decepticons which ones where created and existed before Megatron and which ones remained back in Cybertron(besides Shockwave).

    Thank you very much
     
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    Again, this depends on what continuity you are talking about. Check out tfwiki.net and look up Autobots and Decepticons. It will give you probably a more complete answer than any of us on here can (and less confusing)
     
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    The G1 cartoon continuity
     
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    Same question, it depents on which continuity your talking about.

    There isint just 1 G1 continuity, there has never been justv 1 G1.

    Even in the 1980's there was over 6 G1 continuities.

    Toy bio continuity
    U.S.Marvel comic continuity
    U.K.Marvel comic continuity
    Ladybird book continuity
    US Marvel Continuity
    Blackthorn comics continuity

    and there were others.

    And since the mid 90's there are a few more G1 continuities like Dreamwaves, IDW's.
     
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    ^ I think he means literally just that which appeared on screen in the Sunbow cartoon.
     
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    Yes but who was already there before the TWO leaders were created
     
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    If thats the case the answers is pretty simple.

    We dont know for sure.

    The toon just didnt cover it.
     
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    I am pretty sure that Ironhide and Kup already existed and these two were close friends since both of them are considered War Veterans, i am just covering that fact
     
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    Yes but the war "raged for millions of years" They can both be younger than Prime and still be war veterans. As Sto rightly said, the cartoon doesn't cover these issues, so it's not fact btw.
     
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    By name of well known characters we only know of Alpha trion.

    Alpha Trion had a female friend/follower known as Beta.

    We can be sure Ironhide and Kup were arround before Optimus, but I'm not so sure with that in regards to Megatron.

    Its possible that the Constructicons were older then Megatron.

    I believe thats all we really know about characters with names.

    We can be pretty sure, but as for "facts" it really wasnt covered.
     
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    Also also Starscream, Skyfire/Jetfire and Omega Supreme were their

    But i am pretty sure it's been discussed about Dion, did he die or was he reforamted. Cause a source said it could be either Ironhide or Ultra Magnus or even Huffer, and another source says that Dion was never reformated and and stayed dead. But if you look closely in War Dawn there is another Transformer next to Dion do you have an idea who it is? Or ots just a random robot

    As for the Constructicons they were 7 when they were creating Megs: Long Haul, Scavenger, Scrapper, Mixmaster, Hook, Bonecrusher, Hauler. And then Hauler joined the Autobot ranks while the Constructicons joined the Cons, and that's why we see Cliffjumper saying Hauler pull him up(TF:MTMTE part 1 after Hound was hit) but was never seen again unless he was later on changed to Grapple it's unknown
     
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    Theres no way to know for sure.

    Skyfire/Jetfire and Starscream were friends in trhe past before the war took over the planet, but its never really coverede if it was before Optimus or Megatron came around.

    Omega is one of the guardians, but when he was created/built was never covered.
    its been talked about but it wasnt covered in the toon.

    any source that claims that is talking fan fiction or comic retcons.
     
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    But what i wrote about the constructicons its been stated on Tfwiki.net
     
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    Sorry I missed that.But even that sight engages in a lot of speculation.

    Actually we see 8 Constructicons in that shot, and truth be told we cant be sure of who any of them are.

    The animation models on most of them didnt exactly match what they should look like, that could have been lazy animation, or a deliberate attempt to make Constructicon clones like the seeker clones.
     
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    Yeah like i just read again on The Constructions it says that when they built Megatron they didnt knew he would be that evil or when they show up in the episode The Secret Of Omega Supreme they were the Decepticon insignia as it's an animation error cause they were not Decepticons at that time, and Megatron's creation was intended to stop the war not to take to a next level
     
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    I think you're going to go nuts if you're looking for coherent canonical fact from the cartoon. That sort of attention to detail was probably a bit much for a promotional cartoon.

    I suggest you take the framework of what is known, and fill in the holes with your own canon. No one will be able to tell you you're wrong since there's NO definitive answer.

    For justice, you will have to find Bob Budiansky or maybe Simon Furman.
     
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    Why who's Simon Furman? and why go find him?
     
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    he wrote more tf comics then just about anyone
     
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    And yet in the episode "Heavy Metal War", one of Megatron's lines seems to pretty clearly implicate that the Constructicons were built on Earth, in caverns. It was also before either of the later episodes you mention.
    Heavy Metal War - Transformers Wiki

    Seriously, just save yourself the effort and don't try to understand any cannonical coherency with orgin stories when the G1 Cartoon is concerned. The Cartoon was just meant to sell the toys, which it did quite well, but because the actual universe didn't need to be exactly linear in nature, there are discrepancies all the damn time. For example: just TRY to explain anything in the episode "B.O.T." that makes any sense in relation to anything established in the previous two seasons, I dare you.

    Please tell me you know what Furmanisms are, or else you're well and truly not litterate with the comics side of Transformers.
     

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