Autobot Ranks

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  1. seeker311

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    So what exactly are the order of rank among the Autobots? Jazz and Ultra Magnus have usually been thrown out as the right hand men, but then again so has HotRod, which I wouldnt consider. But, then again there's Ironhide who was in charge of the energon mission in the animated movie. Does anyone have an idea of how it works out? I know Prowl has always been in charge of security but then again so has red alert.
     
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    Oh gosh. This topic is an oldie and a train wreck waiting to happen. Here's how I see it (and keep in mind these are all debatable and no one can claim to KNOW the truth)

    Prowl: I think it's fairly clear that he's 2nd in command on earth to Prime. This seems backed up by Marvel, Dreamwave, IDW and cartoon.

    Jazz: I'm not sure we have any real reason to view him as highly ranked except for a few scenes in the cartoon that give an appearance of rank. Also in the novels about the keepers Prime asked Jazz to take over if he died (of course Jazz was the only one around)

    Grimlock: Clearly high ranking in all things except the cartoon. However I would say he's more of a mission commander and not a commander of the whole sha-bang. We all saw what a train wreck he made of things in marvel when he had command.

    Ultramagnus: Clearly high ranking. Perhaps second in command when it comes to Autobots on Cybertron? It's not super clear.

    Hotrod: I havn't seen any evidence that he has any more standing than 50 other bots. It seems IDW is trying to give him a bit more high a rank, but one comment by prowl vs. all of TF history seems to point to Hotrod just being another soldier.

    Ironhide: It would be tough to argue he's highly ranked, though he is listed as in charge of security.

    Jetfire: Highranked as well.

    This is how I'd put things (Note that this doesn't indicate who I think would get the matrix if Prime dies)
    1) Prime
    2) Ultramagnus (if on cybertron) Prowl (if on earth)
    4) Jetfire
    5) Jazz
    6) Free for all

    This also doesn't include those who are more "regional leaders" on cybertron like a Fort Max
     
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    Seeing that there are two bases: Earth and Cybertron, I would order them like this: Prime and Jazz in Cybertron, Ultra Magnus in earth. Prowl would be in charge of security in Cybertron, Red Alert on Earth. Iron hide would just be muscle for small missions while Grimlock would be team leader on bigger, dangerous missions.
     
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    I think the closest thing we do have to a hard and fast "canon" for this stuff is actually the Tech Specs. I mean, granted, it's a limited view, as it's only a scale of 1-10, and doesn't take into account all the varied factors, or fields that certain TFs operate in... but I find that for the first couple of waves of G1, it holds up very well.

    As for it being canon... well, it IS the original incarnation of the characters. Everything else that came afterwards was mostly based on the Tech Spec profiles... so I'd count that as pretty immutable.

    (with notable exceptions of course, for errors like Skywarp and Starscream's obviously switched Tech Spec stats)

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    Way I see it, Prime is the commander-in-chief of the Autobots. Down the pecking order would be Ultra Magnus, deputy commander in charge of Autobot City or Cybertron depending on continuity; Prowl, who is more or less the chief of operations and planning (i.e. strategy) than he is a deputy commander; Jazz, field commander second to Prime; Ironhide, would be chief of security and has taken command of the Autobots at one time (the episode with two Primes). It would be hard to place Grimlock, though he seemed to be the field commander second to Prime in G2, as well as always in charge of his own team.

    During the Rodimus Prime era, you clearly had Magnus being second-in-command, with Kup as a chief advisor.
     
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    The only basis we have for Jazz being second in command are his tech specs, which say he is Optimus Prime's right hand man. Now what that means depends entirely on the person reading the tech specs.
     
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    Yeah... I do sort of see Jazz as being Prime's most trusted operative... the guy to get things done. But I never interpreted that as translating into the highest rank. It's like, Prowl outranks him, and is the next in the chain of command. Prowl is a methodical and deliberate decision maker and planner. It's appropriate for him to fulfill an administrative command role... but Jazz does more field work, and prefers it that way.

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    several months ago I did a perusal through nearly all of the G1 tech specs, jotting down what everyone's "RANK" stat was. These are the results I have for 84 - 87

    10 - Optimus, Jetfire, Rodimus, Fort Max
    9 - Prowl, Grimlock, Sky Lynx
    8 - Jazz, Wheeljack, Roadbuster, Skids, Ultra Magnus, Kup, Metroplex, Silverbolt, Pointblank, Scattershot
    7 - Ironhide, Bumblebee, Mirage, Ratchet, Trailbreaker, Omega Supreme, Blaster, Perceptor, Red Alert, Grapple, Springer, Hot Spot, Wreck-Gar, Chromedome, Brainstorm, Computron, Punch
     
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    rankless

    I think that the Autobots, technically do not have "ranks" there are supposedly so few that they take what they can get and utilize them as effectively as possible, due to the individuals programming/skills.
     
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    My take on it would be as follows:

    Command
    Optimus Prime - Commander-in-chief (duh)
    Prowl - 2nd in command, also chief tactician
    Ultra Magnus - 2nd in command on Cybertron (Shockwave's counterpart)
    Jazz - Covert Ops Commander (effectively head of Autobot CIA)
    Grimlock - Dynobot/Dinobot commander; basically shock troops/special ops
    Ironhide - Prime's bodyguard (effectively head of Autobot Secret Service)

    Beyond that, it breaks down into groups of specialists, some of which would be commanded by those above. One day I may play around with an Autobot organizational chart. It will probably be based on Tech Specs descriptions and Rank rating, since they set the tone for the characters' development.
     
  12. ljjnico

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    Hmmm, here's my perspective on Autobot ranks,

    Commander of the Autobots - Optimus Prime
    Second in command - Ultra Magnus/Prowl
    Special operations - Jazz
    Security - Ironhide
    Shock Troop commander - Grimlock
    Rescue and Protect commander - Hot Spot
    Aerial commander - Silverbolt
    Science/Combat commander - Scattershot
     
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    I had a well-thought-out post and then I accidentally closed the tab and lost it all. I'm not going to repeat it, save this: using Starfleet departments might be very helpful. Those generally are command, navigation, security, tactical, operations, engineering, science, medical. Work within that and every G1 'bot falls into place.
     
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    Wow - Ratchet isn't tier 3?? (same as WJ & Perceptor)?? And hth does SkyLynx get so high? He was annoying (don't care what medium) and other than toting peeps around, useless.

    I'm surprised Springer isn't higher - movie/S3 has him as Air Commander of AC, and recent comics make him the leader of the Wreckers - an elite shock troop, same as grimlock's Dino/Dyno bots.
     
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    There's also the likes of Countdown (Rank 9) who would pretty much run the show with deep-space patrol and exploration, and Metalhawk (rank 10) who is commander of the Pretenders on Earth - well, in Japan at least.

    One thing to note that as well as Earth and Cybertron, there would be a command structure required for the 'bots on Nebulos - either under Fort Max, or Hot Rod (who is Rank 10, as well - even when not Rodimus Prime!) - and the aforementioned deep-range command, under Countdown.


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