ATTENTION: third party toys banned from BotCon 2012 / FAN ART NOW ALLOWED AGAIN

Discussion in 'Transformers Conventions and Get Togethers' started by Sidecutter, Feb 8, 2012.

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  1. Sidecutter

    Sidecutter Evil Dealer Scum TFW2005 Supporter

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    I will be sending an e-mail (still finalizing it) requesting better explanation, clarification, and limitations to the below language which has been added to this year's exhibitor agreement for BotCon. There is obviously reason for serious concern here.

    Obviously, this request will carry much more weight and be more likely to receive the sort of response we need if it bears the names of stores other than my own as senders. I am asking that, if you are going to BotCon as a dealer and wish to be a signatory on the letter, you PM me promptly so that I may add you.

    The new language in the agreement is as follows: "Promoter and its designees, including Hasbro, Inc., each reserves the right to ban or deny display of any item for any reason. Promoter and its designees, including Hasbro, Inc., each reserves the right to confiscate any items that violates these rules and regulations. Exhibitor agrees to permit such confiscation without incident and agrees that all confiscated items shall become the property of Promoter or its designee and may be turned over to the appropriate authorities. Exhibitor herby [sic] waives and all claims against the Promotor [sic] or Hasbro, Inc. with respect to any removal of person or confiscation of items."
     
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  2. Soundblaster1

    Soundblaster1 The Heisenberg of Toys

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    Sounds like they're just trying to avoid the epic fail of 2011 where the 3rd party reveals brought in by TFSource were significantly cooler than the actual Hasbro stuff.
     
  3. Joe Moore

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    It's definitely geared towards people dealing in knock offs and third party items. If a dealer brings them into the dealer room, be prepared to have it taken by Hasbro and/or Fun Pub.
     
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    I think this is a good idea for the dealers. I'd like to see the response.

    I'm going to be extremely bummed if I have to set up side alley deals to purchase 3rd party items at BotCon like I'm doing drugs or something.
     
  6. Sidecutter

    Sidecutter Evil Dealer Scum TFW2005 Supporter

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    I'm quite open to posting both the letter itself and the response when appropriate. For the moment, however, I think it is best that it remain behind the proverbial curtain. Obviously, if anyone else signed up as a dealer wishes to see the current near-final draft of the letter before becoming a signatory, I'll share it with them privately.
     
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    There are two issues at hand here and Botcon is treading on VERY dangerous ground here.

    First is the issue regarding sale / display of items on dealers stalls. Whether you like it or not, Botcon are well within their rights to ask dealers not to bring or display items at the convention but out of good practice if nothing else, they should issue some form of guidelines so traders know in advance what is and isn't acceptable. That way, they can all avoid any potential breaches of Botcon's unstated regulations.

    A blanket statement like the above is too vague and leaves it open to abuse and will make dealers very wary about bringing anything along to the convention. The question could be asked where will the line be drawn... Knockoffs? Third party? Imported toys that Hasbro have already released in the US?

    On a more serious note, I'd be interested to know about the legalities regarding the point about confiscation. While they would be within their rights to demand that items are withdrawn from display / sale, even to the point of confiscation during the convention, retaining possession of said items from dealers after the convention is immoral and I'd certainly question whether they could do that legally.

    Also, the fact that they say they are reserving the right to display / sell items for "any reason"... well, I could see this getting rather unpleasant...
     
  8. Sidecutter

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    Correct. You've touched on several of the problems at hand which the letter discusses, and you're correct that the concern is not limited to what we call "third party".
     
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    Would you mind emailing me a copy of this? I'd like to keep tabs on this as obviously I need to keep all of Auto Assembly's dealers updated as well on what's happening as we're trying to be a lot more dealer and fan-friendly this year developing a new and improved third-party policy.
     
  10. ScottyP

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    Definitely keep us informed! My "shopping list" for the dealer room will look dramatically different if some products aren't allowed ><
     
  11. DethPike

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    I'm not setting up at Botcon but it sounds to me like unless you feel like having anything they deem to be "unofficial" confIscated, you might wanna leave it home.

    Or... Just not set up at Botcon.
     
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    Wow this is major. Botcon banning 3rd party stuff?? hory shet! Almost every dealer last year had some sort of 3rd party item. This is going to make a huge impact on those dealer sales. I hope you guys hear something solid from funpub/botcon in regards to this new BS statement.
     
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    I just see more dealer that sell 3rd party items having after show hours in their hotel rooms to sell those items. I personal was looking forward to get some i-gear seekers to finish off them namely dirge,thrust and thundercracker. Those were going to be at the top of my shopping list for this years botcon show, along with some parts that I have been trying to hunt down.
     
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    I sure as shit hope to buy a ton of 3rd party items at BotCon! Otherwise I'd suggest a Captured Prey hotel party! One of my favorite pieces from last year was the Mega-Gun! And I regret not picking up the Brown King. Poop jokes...priceless.
     
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    Sounds like the number of parts parties is going to increase this year.
     
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    NICKBOT Entitlement? Piss off.

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    Better than pants parties. Sorry, too easy. :lol 
     
  17. Sidecutter

    Sidecutter Evil Dealer Scum TFW2005 Supporter

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    Trust me, the pants parties are safe. It's the pants-less parties you need to worry about!
     
  18. Erector

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    Or hunt out, depending on attendees.

    ... though yeah, probably avoid.
     
  19. cobra zartan

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    Really hope they come back and say it's G1 ko's that they are banning, The last few years in a row ive witnessed people lying to other fans and claiming they were legit items. I had a run in with someone last year that was trying to sell a friend of mine a set of white japanese heads that were knockoffs and after trying to take him to Hydra's booth to show him the difference he just walked away, believe he also drags around a suitecase on the dealers room trying to sell his stuff..very annoying.
     
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    i wonder if this will effect the price of official products to make up for the loss of 3rdthe party sales.
     
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